Ikantcpell Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) Is there intelligent life in our universe ? Apparently we dont send signals out in the universe, cause a civilization that could catch such a signal could be billions of years ahead of us and therefor alot more powerful and there is huge risk they would not value us higher than we value a bacteria.. Edited July 23, 2015 by Ikantcpell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lapal_fan Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Is there intelligent life in our universe ? Apparently we dont send signals out in the universe, cause a civilization that could catch such a signal could be billions of years ahead of us and therefor alot more powerful and there is huge risk they would not value us higher than we value a bacteria.. Google Neil Degrass Tyson, there's your answer. We're not special, we're made up of Carbon, Carbon is the 4th most common element in the universe, it's also interesting that Carbon can also create more molecules than ALL of the other elements combined. So the chances are is that no, we are not alone in the universe. You should also Google "Panspermia" (LMAO) because that's the Science of interplanetary seeding. The basic principle of which is that say Mars had life on it, a meteor smashes into Mars, picks up some bacteria and then lands on our planet "seeding it" and all life on Earth is originally from Mars. Quite an interesting concept, and one that I've only just discovered, courtesy of Degrass Tyson and other Physicists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted July 23, 2015 Administrator Share Posted July 23, 2015 Is there intelligent life in our universe ? Yes. on at least one planet.Or you wouldn't be able to ask the question. Apparently we dont send signals out in the universe, cause a civilization that could catch such a signal could be billions of years ahead of us and therefor alot more powerful and there is huge risk they would not value us higher than we value a bacteria.. "Apparently" according to whom? We are continuously sending out messages at the speed of light in all directions. We value bacteria pretty highly, you wouldn't exist without about a kilogram of bacteria inside you. Even if other intelligent life is out there, it's a long, long way away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Do footballers actually get paid weekly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Whenever the payslips are leaked in the press no they're not My favourite thing about those leaked payslips are the fines for yellow cards, same rate at every level of English football, I think I saw a tevez one that had £24 deducted for fines! It also had about £700k written on it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PongRiddims Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) Whenever the payslips are leaked in the press no they're not My favourite thing about those leaked payslips are the fines for yellow cards, same rate at every level of English football, I think I saw a tevez one that had £24 deducted for fines! It also had about £700k written on it... Edited July 23, 2015 by limpid fixed embed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikantcpell Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Is there intelligent life in our universe ? Yes. on at least one planet.Or you wouldn't be able to ask the question. Apparently we dont send signals out in the universe, cause a civilization that could catch such a signal could be billions of years ahead of us and therefor alot more powerful and there is huge risk they would not value us higher than we value a bacteria.. "Apparently" according to whom? We are continuously sending out messages at the speed of light in all directions. We value bacteria pretty highly, you wouldn't exist without about a kilogram of bacteria inside you. Even if other intelligent life is out there, it's a long, long way away. Google Breakthrough Listen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted July 23, 2015 Administrator Share Posted July 23, 2015 Apparently we dont send signals out in the universe, cause a civilization that could catch such a signal could be billions of years ahead of us and therefor alot more powerful and there is huge risk they would not value us higher than we value a bacteria.. "Apparently" according to whom? We are continuously sending out messages at the speed of light in all directions. We value bacteria pretty highly, you wouldn't exist without about a kilogram of bacteria inside you. Even if other intelligent life is out there, it's a long, long way away. Google Breakthrough Listen That doesn't claim that "we dont send signals". As for sending a message. We can barely communicate with species which are almost identical to us, we aren't (yet) smart enough to communicate with an intelligence from a different abiogenesis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikantcpell Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I read an interview with one of the scientists in a swedish newspaper, claiming they dont send any signals cause of the reason i stated above, But you dont understand swedish so there is no point in me linking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I thought radio waves had been buzzing out from earth for 80 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Pioneer 10, Pioneer 11, Voyager 1, Voyager 2, New Horizons and 93 years of BBC Broadcasting etc., suggests any attempt to stay quiet and hide from space monsters may not have been fully co-ordinated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC_Hitz Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I imagine someone picking up Sandi Toksvig has a hard time wondering what the jibbles we're doing down here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 I thought radio waves had been buzzing out from earth for 80 years. All that proves is that there aren't any travel-ready aliens within 20 or 30 light years of us. At least no hungry ones, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Because we're obviously getting further away from the centre of the universe, and that the galaxies, planets & stars of the early big bang are all now dead, and anything further away than us from the centre of the universe, does that mean anything after us is going to be evolutionarily "younger" and anything closer to the centre of the universe will be more evolved (older) (and thus potentially more of a threat)? Or could it be plausible that younger, less evolved life can evolve much quicker than us and or life forms on our planet? Also, we're 1% away (DNA wise) from a Chimpanzee. Obviously the intelligence gap between us is vast, because the smartest Chimpanzee that ever lived (in our awareness anyway) could only muster a few hand signals to communicate. So if we were to "meet" a species that was 1% further on than where we are, imagine how much smarter they would be compared to us. It would be like our infants being born with the intuition of complex algebra, being able to speak all of the words, an understanding of all the things we do and thinking "that's cute" when they look at us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folski Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Because we're obviously getting further away from the centre of the universe, and that the galaxies, planets & stars of the early big bang are all now dead, and anything further away than us from the centre of the universe, does that mean anything after us is going to be evolutionarily "younger" and anything closer to the centre of the universe will be more evolved (older) (and thus potentially more of a threat)? Or could it be plausible that younger, less evolved life can evolve much quicker than us and or life forms on our planet? Also, we're 1% away (DNA wise) from a Chimpanzee. Obviously the intelligence gap between us is vast, because the smartest Chimpanzee that ever lived (in our awareness anyway) could only muster a few hand signals to communicate. So if we were to "meet" a species that was 1% further on than where we are, imagine how much smarter they would be compared to us. It would be like our infants being born with the intuition of complex algebra, being able to speak all of the words, an understanding of all the things we do and thinking "that's cute" when they look at us. Or they would just wank more, eat more, poo more, do less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted July 24, 2015 Administrator Share Posted July 24, 2015 Because we're obviously getting further away from the centre of the universe, and that the galaxies, planets & stars of the early big bang are all now dead, and anything further away than us from the centre of the universe, does that mean anything after us is going to be evolutionarily "younger" and anything closer to the centre of the universe will be more evolved (older) (and thus potentially more of a threat)? Or could it be plausible that younger, less evolved life can evolve much quicker than us and or life forms on our planet? Also, we're 1% away (DNA wise) from a Chimpanzee. Obviously the intelligence gap between us is vast, because the smartest Chimpanzee that ever lived (in our awareness anyway) could only muster a few hand signals to communicate. So if we were to "meet" a species that was 1% further on than where we are, imagine how much smarter they would be compared to us. It would be like our infants being born with the intuition of complex algebra, being able to speak all of the words, an understanding of all the things we do and thinking "that's cute" when they look at us. Where to start? There probably isn't a centre of the universe, at least not in the terms you suggest. "More evolved" doesn't mean anything. The amount of evolving doesn't affect the degree to which a species suits its environment. There is life on Earth that hasn't changed in a billion years because continuing evolution can't improve how good a match it is for it's environment. This kind of thinking leads to some people thinking that humans are in some way evolutionarily superior to other species. We aren't. There is no control or plan for evolution. Humans are trending towards being shorter, but better nutrition means that on average we are taller. The future of humans might be smaller brain power if that selects for sitting at home watching Jeremy Kyle. Evolution is non-deterministic. The only measure of "better" in evolution is how well something suits its environment. There is no reason to think that being born with a knowledge of algebra will bestow an evolutionary advantage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 24, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted July 24, 2015 I agree with that but the intelligence thing is interesting. i.e. we're 1% different (stress different, not more advanced) than a chimp. So if we met a species from another planet that was another 1% different to us, the intelligence gap could be massive. I guess age of the species would be amazing too. It's generally assumed that humans have been around for 200,000 years give or take. So if we met an alien species that had been around for a million years, imagine how much more advanced they would be. Even if they were identical to humans in every way, the mere fact they've existed for longer would mean they'd be incredibly advanced compared to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 24, 2015 Moderator Share Posted July 24, 2015 And then we have Fermi's Paradox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 I agree with that but the intelligence thing is interesting. i.e. we're 1% different (stress different, not more advanced) than a chimp. So if we met a species from another planet that was another 1% different to us, the intelligence gap could be massive. I guess age of the species would be amazing too. It's generally assumed that humans have been around for 200,000 years give or take. So if we met an alien species that had been around for a million years, imagine how much more advanced they would be. Even if they were identical to humans in every way, the mere fact they've existed for longer would mean they'd be incredibly advanced compared to us. Not necessarily. If the planet which they lived on was enormous (say, Jupiter sized or bigger) with an abundance of resources, that would mean that that species wouldn't have to be as competitive as what humans are. The only reason we went to space was because of war, the only reason the internet exists is because of war. What are we warring over? Politics, over what? Power/influence, what for? Our Earth's limited resources. The thing with humans is that we are quite intravertical thinkers, we do things for ourselves, to help ourselves because humans LOVE being alive. If a species on Klux 251 has the aging process of an Oak tree and an abundance of natural resources, they wouldn't be required to be as competitive. So you could argue that they'd have less to be competitive about, and competition is what gets shit done. UNLESS, the species are logical thinking (I guess like Spock), in which case it would be "normal" (hate that word) to question everything and want to know how things work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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