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obama is calling climate change a threat to the world as isis goes on the slaughter and kills 400 women and children. the guy is a pro islamist.

No he's not mate, he's a guy who got elected on a ticket to GTFO of Iraq and Afghanistan. Sadly his Government over ruled the Iraqi constitution in 2010, ensured their man (Nouri Al Maliki) became president of Iraq, who then set about alienating the Sunni minority thus ensuring the return of what we now call IS.

So he's an idiot and a failure but not deliberately so, and with 18 months to do as President he wants to hand over to someone else and run away from the mess his administration has created.

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I fail to see how saying climate change is a threat to the world means being pro-Islamist. A truly astonishing leap right there.

 

Climate change is a threat, and a grave one at that. Isis are a threat too, albeit of a different kind entirely. It is possible to care about both issues.

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I'm sure the next republican that gets in at the white house will ensure boots will be on the ground

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I'm sure the next republican that gets in at the white house will ensure boots will be on the ground

Depends on which one. There definitely seems to be a larger isolationist element in the Republican party than there was when Bush was around.

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I still can't get over the fact that they built a big **** clock.

 

I went to Saudi last year to do Umrah.  I stayed in the Clock Tower.   Not until I got there did I realise how disgusting it was.  A land so beautiful being descerated by hideous buildings.  This new hotel is pretty sickening to be honest.  Umrah and specifically Hajj is why it is being built for.  Hajj is supposed to be tough and a struggle to go through. These people are making it akin to a week in Vegas.  Top 5 floors for Saudi royalty, yet they treat the immigrant workers like cattle.  Yet they preach religiousness and holiness.  These people forget the Prophet's, that they follow, last words.  An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action.

 

Makes me sick.

On another note, ISIS will kill a few million.  Climate change could end us all.

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It's genuinely amazing. A giant clock. I'm pretty sure it overshadows the Grand Mosque for good measure.

 

From what I've heard the Saudis have more or less done away with historical Mecca (like, any old building tangentially related to Muhammad is gone or is not far from going) and replaced it with garish buildings and all sorts of nonsense, like you said have turned a religious site into Vegas.

 

Those actions may well be part of what undoes them with Isis presenting themselves as a 'purer' version of what the Saudis preach.

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it's not subtle is it

 

definitely too many princes wanting a bit of Vegas 

 

it'll all end in tears

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I still can't get over the fact that they built a big **** clock.

I went to Saudi last year to do Umrah. I stayed in the Clock Tower. Not until I got there did I realise how disgusting it was. A land so beautiful being descerated by hideous buildings. This new hotel is pretty sickening to be honest. Umrah and specifically Hajj is why it is being built for. Hajj is supposed to be tough and a struggle to go through. These people are making it akin to a week in Vegas. Top 5 floors for Saudi royalty, yet they treat the immigrant workers like cattle. Yet they preach religiousness and holiness. These people forget the Prophet's, that they follow, last words. An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action.

Makes me sick.

On another note, ISIS will kill a few million. Climate change could end us all.

The saudi royal family arnt religious at all so its not suprising.

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I'm sure the next republican that gets in at the white house will ensure boots will be on the ground

Hillary is a hawk, so if she wins, we can expect the same.

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Noticed they demolished an Ottoman fortress from the mid 18th century to build that absolute monster. It's on a par with the Romanian capital building and North Korea's pyramid hotel for minging-ness.

 

Mind you, those two buildings weren't built next door to the holiest site of one of the Abrahamic religions, so I guess it wins the title.

 

...because the best way forward for Mecca is to demolish it's character and history, right?

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They are also knocking down historic mosques so as to ensure 'people don't come and worship the history rather than the religion'.  Biggest load of balls ever.  This extreme Wahabism is somehow backed by our government!

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They are also knocking down historic mosques so as to ensure 'people don't come and worship the history rather than the religion'. Biggest load of balls ever. This extreme Wahabism is somehow backed by our government!

Exactly the same principle as that applied by IS to historic irreplaceable sites of global heritage in Iraq and Syria. To borrow that wonderful New Labour phrase, it's about controlling the narrative.

As for the government, having initially flirted with the idea of the Arab Spring they have witnessed the Arab meltdown and will now back the remaining authoritarian regimes to the hilt in order to 'maintain stability'. The irony being that it plays directly into the extremist narrative that the petro-monarchies are puppets of the West.

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Wasn't Wahhabism originally backed because it was battling Soviet forces in Afghanistan?

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obama is calling climate change a threat to the world as isis goes on the slaughter and kills 400 women and children. the guy is a pro islamist.

He's right. Wars come and go, but we've wrecked our planet, beyond repair. I will experience it, but it will be worse for my children and grandchildren's future.

 

 

Fixed!

 

According to chief scientist Julia Slingo at the Met Office, nothing we do now will alter the change already on its way.

 

Any attempts at mitigation will make no difference to the next 20-30 years and will only slow down what happens beyond that period.

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Wasn't Wahhabism originally backed because it was battling Soviet forces in Afghanistan?

Wahhabism, named after it's founder Muhammad ibn Abd Al Wahhab became the dominant strain of Islam in what became Saudi Arabia, because he formed an alliance with the Al Saud tribe to form the first Saudi state - making the two became indistinguishable.

We supported and continue to support Saudi for obvious economic reasons.

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You can thank T.E. Lawrence for forging that tribal alliance.

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You can thank T.E. Lawrence for forging that tribal alliance.

 

And the less famous William Shakespear:

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-30796539

 

 

A hundred years ago this week, the camel-mounted armies of Abdulaziz - known as Ibn Saud, later to become the founding king of Saudi Arabia - were preparing to face their arch-enemies, the Rashidis.

Alongside, in full khaki battledress and pith helmet, stood William Shakespear.

After a glittering early career in the British Indian administration in Bombay, Captain Shakespear had been posted in 1909 to Kuwait.

There, already fluent in Arabic, he forged a close personal relationship with Abdulaziz, head of the House of Saud - but then just the ruler of a desert area in northern Arabia. [etc.]

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You can thank T.E. Lawrence for forging that tribal alliance.

Haha, that pair teamed up in the 16th Century. I know the fashion in the US is to blame the current Middle East mess on the British Empire but that's a pretty epic historical fail.

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a court case in london of a man accused of terrorism acts in syria has been thrown out because it was proven british intelligence services were arming and funding these rebel groups in syria. great stuff, its as if we want all this shit.

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