Johnnyp Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Absolute idiot. I don't think stripping him of the captaincy would be excessive at all. He's not above the law. Our masseuse got struck down with this virus and then ya have Bertie big bollocks thinking he can wander around the place and do what he wants. Hope the club hammer him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 I’m afraid having spent my entire working life in law enforcement I can’t get my head around the lack of separation some have between punishing someone for a crime ( which is appropriate) and sacking them/ pillorying them/ disowning them or whatever ( which is subjective) I can say there would be an awful lot of untouchable people in many walks of life, including on here, if that was the norm, as criminal offences ( including serious ones) are committed every day by huge numbers of people. And those offences that one person finds unforgivable, another finds understandable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlewis Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Johnnyp said: Absolute idiot. I don't think stripping him of the captaincy would be excessive at all. He's not above the law. Our masseuse got struck down with this virus and then ya have Bertie big bollocks thinking he can wander around the place and do what he wants. Hope the club hammer him. Absolutely he needs to be hit hard by this. you don’t crash a Range Rover into parked cars with pretty much no other car on the road in broad daylight without being a moron, or having a stroke or a heart attack. I doubt he’s had either of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, bobzy said: Because he was a drink driver. I think your question is actually more relevant for you. If you’re happy having a convicted drink driver playing for your side, where would you draw the line? Yeah we already have one of those and I've hated every second Drinkwater has played for us. I really like Grealish so I'm bound to be more forgiving towards him but if he's been drink driving I would be less sad to see him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyavfc Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 People need to get a grip. He’s gone to a mates house, when he shouldn’t (not illegal, despite the lockdown) and crashed his car. Nothing mentioned about drinking, he’s apologised, villa have fined him. The end, it’s been dealt with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, bobzy said: Because he was a drink driver. I think your question is actually more relevant for you. If you’re happy having a convicted drink driver playing for your side, where would you draw the line? Good question. But I could equally bat it back and say where would you ? ( and I did ask first ). Because if you’d sack him for drunk driving, what about reckless driving, what about 12 penalty points for speeding, what about driving a dangerous and unroadworthy car, or driving with no insurance ? To name but a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 minute ago, terrytini said: I’m afraid having spent my entire working life in law enforcement I can’t get my head around the lack of separation some have between punishing someone for a crime ( which is appropriate) and sacking them/ pillorying them/ disowning them or whatever ( which is subjective) I can say there would be an awful lot of untouchable people in many walks of life, including on here, if that was the norm, as criminal offences ( including serious ones) are committed every day by huge numbers of people. And those offences that one person finds unforgivable, another finds understandable. Under what circumstances would driving while under the influence be understandable? Hypothetically of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, Johnnyp said: Absolute idiot. I don't think stripping him of the captaincy would be excessive at all. He's not above the law. Our masseuse got struck down with this virus and then ya have Bertie big bollocks thinking he can wander around the place and do what he wants. Hope the club hammer him. Agree - should no longer be captain - give it to mings . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 minute ago, sne said: Yeah we already have one of those and I've hated every second Drinkwater has played for us. from watching him "run" I think Drinkwater hated them games just as much 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 minute ago, sne said: Under what circumstances would driving while under the influence be understandable? Hypothetically of course Well his grandparent is from Kerry which must be the only place in the world that is trying to legalize drink driving 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, sne said: Under what circumstances would driving while under the influence be understandable? Hypothetically of course Well there’s many reasons why it would be understandable from different peoples perspective, (*)but I’m not saying it is anyway. I’m saying selling the player isn’t appropriate. example..... you’ve just had a pint, your ma has a heart attack, you live miles from anywhere, you’ve no phone. Not saying I’d drive, but I’d understand someone who did. (Although I don’t understand anyone drinking, whether driving or not.) Edited March 30, 2020 by terrytini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 15 minutes ago, Zatman said: I think its probably too late to be charged with drink driving as it is And me But the trial of social media has already found him guilty of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Anyway I’m aware I’m in a wee debate with one or two, so, nothing personal, I’ve other things to attend to......I’d think the totality of my Posts make what I think clear enough should anyone give a toss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) Who said the club should sack him? That’s crazy. He’s probably one of the clubs biggest assets. Strip his captaincy, yes. Maybe even put him up for sale. But sack him! Don’t be silly. Edit- the above is based on if he is proven to have been drink driving and left the car after crashing it. Edited March 30, 2020 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, terrytini said: I’m afraid having spent my entire working life in law enforcement I can’t get my head around the lack of separation some have between punishing someone for a crime ( which is appropriate) and sacking them/ pillorying them/ disowning them or whatever ( which is subjective) I can say there would be an awful lot of untouchable people in many walks of life, including on here, if that was the norm, as criminal offences ( including serious ones) are committed every day by huge numbers of people. And those offences that one person finds unforgivable, another finds understandable. Please help me to be understanding of Grealish’s behaviour over the weekend. At the moment I can’t think of what he did as anything but unforgivable but maybe you can present the other side of the argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 minute ago, terrytini said: Well there’s many reasons why it would be understandable from different peoples perspective, (*)but I’m not saying it is anyway. I’m saying selling the player isn’t appropriate. example..... you’ve just had a pint, your ma has a heart attack, you live miles from anywhere, you’ve no phone. Not saying I’d drive, but I’d understand someone who did. I don’t understand anyone drinking, whether driving or not. If he has been drink driving its more likely given the time that hes had a session slept there woke up early and decided to leave whilst actually still being over the limit Something which I sadly think a fair few are guilty of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Who said the club should sack him? That’s crazy. He’s probably one of the clubs biggest assets. Strip his captaincy, yes. Maybe even put him up for sale. But sack him! Don’t be silly. yeah the club is not going to sack a prized asset for this misdemeanour. Truth is players have done a lot worse and kept there job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano & Dalians Umbrella Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, guyavfc said: People need to get a grip. He’s gone to a mates house, when he shouldn’t (not illegal, despite the lockdown) and crashed his car. Nothing mentioned about drinking, he’s apologised, villa have fined him. The end, it’s been dealt with. What do you mean it's not illegal? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52053527 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy In Boots Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 2015/2016 all over again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, terrytini said: I’m afraid having spent my entire working life in law enforcement I can’t get my head around the lack of separation some have between punishing someone for a crime ( which is appropriate) and sacking them/ pillorying them/ disowning them or whatever ( which is subjective) I can say there would be an awful lot of untouchable people in many walks of life, including on here, if that was the norm, as criminal offences ( including serious ones) are committed every day by huge numbers of people. And those offences that one person finds unforgivable, another finds understandable. It's hard to disagree and you clearly know what you're talking about from experience. But I think this whole virus is going to change peoples perceptions over the next 6 months. Especially in regards to public figures who are telling people what they should be doing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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