jacketspuds Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 13 minutes ago, Zatman said: Struggled to do anything other than focus on the eyebrows of the bloke in the top right. I did catch some interesting points though. I think my favourite has to be when one of them was making an argument for Sterling playing by using the justification that Guardiola picked him for the CL final so obviously trusts him even when he’s out of form. They might want to go and recheck how many goals Sterling got in that game. I also feel that the whole Grealish / England youth teams piece will never go away. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted June 11, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 11, 2021 Anyone noticed the media seem to be pulling back from hyping Jack up, . One BBC story about players who have broken into the England set up over the last 12 months and never mentioned Jack once , bizarre. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-57259395 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The_Steve Posted June 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2021 The Guardian wrote a summary of every player at the tournament and wrote this about Jack: “Grealish’s performances this season have been good enough to force the initially reticent Gareth Southgate to select him, and for West Ham’s David Moyes to describe him as “probably the best player in the league right now” in February. Defenders find him troublesome enough for him to have retained his title as the Premier League’s most fouled player despite his missing a third of it with a shin injury. Critics might say this statistic is boosted by occasional diving, though a greater problem for Grealish is careless driving, for which he received a nine-month ban in December.” Pathetic really when you compare it to the write up of others in the squad alone. 2 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted June 11, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, The_Steve said: The Guardian wrote a summary of every player at the tournament and wrote this about Jack: “Grealish’s performances this season have been good enough to force the initially reticent Gareth Southgate to select him, and for West Ham’s David Moyes to describe him as “probably the best player in the league right now” in February. Defenders find him troublesome enough for him to have retained his title as the Premier League’s most fouled player despite his missing a third of it with a shin injury. Critics might say this statistic is boosted by occasional diving, though a greater problem for Grealish is careless driving, for which he received a nine-month ban in December.” Pathetic really when you compare it to the write up of others in the squad alone. That’s poor, what on earth has his driving ban got to do with anything at this tournament?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 8 hours ago, Zatman said: I don't think the lady knows how a scratch map works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, The_Steve said: The Guardian wrote a summary of every player at the tournament and wrote this about Jack: “Grealish’s performances this season have been good enough to force the initially reticent Gareth Southgate to select him, and for West Ham’s David Moyes to describe him as “probably the best player in the league right now” in February. Defenders find him troublesome enough for him to have retained his title as the Premier League’s most fouled player despite his missing a third of it with a shin injury. Critics might say this statistic is boosted by occasional diving, though a greater problem for Grealish is careless driving, for which he received a nine-month ban in December.” Pathetic really when you compare it to the write up of others in the squad alone. That is literally authored by someone with an agenda and writing for a paper of their standing too, outrageous. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, villan-scott said: That’s poor, what on earth has his driving ban got to do with anything at this tournament?! Exactly. It’s really bloody pathetic. So disappointed in the new paper. The agenda is very clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7392craig Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 13 minutes ago, villan-scott said: That’s poor, what on earth has his driving ban got to do with anything at this tournament?! It’s the guardian, no 1 for character assassinations. Terrible rag. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rolta Posted June 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2021 12 minutes ago, 7392craig said: It’s the guardian, no 1 for character assassinations. Terrible rag. Yes, number one for character assassinations is definitely the guardian. Right at the top for hatred out of all those lovely honest newspapers in the UK. You're definitely right. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrenchVillaLova Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Probably already been posted on here, but one of TIFO's latest Youtube videos titled "How will England play in Euro2020?" (uploaded on the 3rd of June) literally fails to mention him... or even include him in the squad. Unbelievable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7392craig Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 17 minutes ago, Rolta said: Yes, number one for character assassinations is definitely the guardian. Right at the top for hatred out of all those lovely honest newspapers in the UK. You're definitely right. I don’t think any of them can be trusted. It’s an ageing medium, they all sensationalise every headline they can to keep going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, 7392craig said: I don’t think any of them can be trusted. It’s an ageing medium, they all sensationalise every headline they can to keep going. Sounds similar to 'politicians are all as bad as each other—none of them can be trusted' which is appears to be what supporters say when there is suggestion they voted in a group of opportunistic charlatans to run the country. Anyway, bit off topic. **** that individual journalist in the guardian for his lame writeup on Jack (and I do genuinely mean that, although, honestly, I don't really care) Edited June 11, 2021 by Rolta 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 9 minutes ago, 7392craig said: I don’t think any of them can be trusted. It’s an ageing medium, they all sensationalise every headline they can to keep going. Yes... sensational news headlines are a modern problem due to the ageing medium of journalism. Naughty Grauniad! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 1 hour ago, The_Steve said: The Guardian wrote a summary of every player at the tournament and wrote this about Jack: “Grealish’s performances this season have been good enough to force the initially reticent Gareth Southgate to select him, and for West Ham’s David Moyes to describe him as “probably the best player in the league right now” in February. Defenders find him troublesome enough for him to have retained his title as the Premier League’s most fouled player despite his missing a third of it with a shin injury. Critics might say this statistic is boosted by occasional diving, though a greater problem for Grealish is careless driving, for which he received a nine-month ban in December.” Pathetic really when you compare it to the write up of others in the squad alone. Thats disgraceful usually the Guardian Football is a bit better, i wonder did Kyle Walker mention his parties or Pickford for injuring Van Dijk Actually was it written by Barry Glendenning? He hates Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7392craig Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Rolta said: Sounds similar to 'politicians are all as bad as each other—none of them can be trusted' which is appears to be what supporters say when there is suggestion they voted in a group of opportunistic charlatans to run the country. Anyway, bit off topic. **** that individual journalist in the guardian for writing about that! (and I do genuinely mean that!) No, that’s what I was implying. I do think there is an issue with newspapers and I certainly don’t think all politicians are as bad each other. The two things aren’t comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, est1874 said: Yes... sensational news headlines are a modern problem due to the ageing medium of journalism. Naughty Grauniad! Spurious connections and self-justifying bullshit. Hatefulness wrapped up in pretend logic. The Mail hasn't changed a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7392craig Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, est1874 said: Yes... sensational news headlines are a modern problem due to the ageing medium of journalism. Naughty Grauniad! Who said it was a modern problem? Strange post. Guardian reader by any chance? I honestly meant no offence if that was the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, 7392craig said: Who said it was a modern problem? Strange post. Guardian reader by any chance? I honestly meant no offence if that was the case. Well you did say it was an ageing medium where they have to sensationalize in order to keep going. Not sure that's correct as they have always done that. Sales has always been the media's business, that hasn't actually changed at all over time. I also don't think the Guardian is the worst for character assassination but that's another argument. You haven't offended me, I was just being a bit tongue-in-cheek and meeting pith with pith. Very OT too so I'll leave it there! Edited June 11, 2021 by est1874 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raver50032 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) Bringing up the careless driving on the eve of the tournament is very much agenda led. Let's not forget the 'dentists chair' 1996 faux pas by Gascoigne and co. The papers were out to sack most of the players involved in that picture. One game... one moment of magic, and everyone licked Gazza's arse again. Same with Beckham after the 1998 World Cup red. All Jack has to do is remember his more foolish moments, and focus on being better in the future. Let his football create the headlines and he will take the world with him. Except maybe hard-nut blousers. After all, getting up on the world pedestal and becoming iconic, we get into 'child idolisation' and example setting. He needs to be a good boy on and off the pitch. Edited June 11, 2021 by Raver50032 Missing an E... E's are good. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7392craig Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, est1874 said: Well you did say it was an ageing medium where they have to sensationalize in order to keep going. Not sure that's correct as they have always done that. Sales has always been the media's business, that hasn't actually changed at all over time. I also don't think the Guardian is the worst for character assassination but that's another argument. You haven't offended me, I was just being a bit tongue-in-cheek and meeting pith with pith. Very OT too so I'll leave it there! Yes, even more so now that I think it has an impact on the actual news. But yes, agreed we should leave it there. Again, not my intention to offend anyone. On topic, I’ve a feeling Gareth will be going 3 at the back, and will leave Jack out to play Mount at 10. I don’t think he has a chance at the wide positions as he has his favourites. Edited June 11, 2021 by 7392craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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