MakemineVanilla Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Charles Dickens would recognise these attitudes being espoused by certain Tories. It's the era they belong in. How sad that such people still exist, and feel its become acceptable to air such views today. Saying disabled people work harder because they are grateful for the opportunity is like saying fat birds try harder in bed. It might not be incredibly PC but that doesn't mean it's not true. Didn't the Labour woman on QT demand that the government should start evangelising on the excellence of disabled workers, to encourage employers to hire them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Caps on number of EU migrants is illegal. European Union needs to draw a line in the sand now with Cameron. A founding covenant of the EU is freedom of movement of workers and it has been a huge reason for the prosperity of nations over the past decades. Try do something illegal like limit movement - which is completely a political move so they can defend from UKIP - needs to be met with a full threat. United Kindom needs to be expelled from the European Union if it breaks the treaties it signed and as such the laws of Europe. The result will be a huge victory for Labour / Lib Dems in next election. I am really sick of politicians. Doing what's best for themselves to be re elected and not whats best interests of the electorate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 So that's what became of Huey Morgan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Caps on number of EU migrants is illegal. European Union needs to draw a line in the sand now with Cameron. A founding covenant of the EU is freedom of movement of workers and it has been a huge reason for the prosperity of nations over the past decades. Try do something illegal like limit movement - which is completely a political move so they can defend from UKIP - needs to be met with a full threat. United Kindom needs to be expelled from the European Union if it breaks the treaties it signed and as such the laws of Europe. The result will be a huge victory for Labour / Lib Dems in next election. I am really sick of politicians. Doing what's best for themselves to be re elected and not whats best interests of the electorate. Well yes, capping EU immigration is illegal under the current treaties, that's rather the point of a renegotiation. By the way if you think immigration isn't a huge issue with the UK electorate you might want to check the polls on that subject. For once Cameron is actually reflecting the will of the majority, or at least what that majority consider to be their 'best interests'. I think the threat of expulsion from the EU would be met with wails of horror from Guardianistas, unbridled joy from the Torygraph and a huge wave of utter indifference from most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Can't you see alL eu nations break the rules when it suits them, with no comeback. I can think of the French Illegally banning our beef years after BSE, and also outright proping up Airfrance. And are the Germans not just started building 4 new coal powered energy plants to run on brown coal, which is pretty much against what they signed up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Caps on number of EU migrants is illegal. European Union needs to draw a line in the sand now with Cameron. A founding covenant of the EU is freedom of movement of workers and it has been a huge reason for the prosperity of nations over the past decades. Try do something illegal like limit movement - which is completely a political move so they can defend from UKIP - needs to be met with a full threat. United Kindom needs to be expelled from the European Union if it breaks the treaties it signed and as such the laws of Europe. The result will be a huge victory for Labour / Lib Dems in next election. I am really sick of politicians. Doing what's best for themselves to be re elected and not whats best interests of the electorate. Well yes, capping EU immigration is illegal under the current treaties, that's rather the point of a renegotiation. By the way if you think immigration isn't a huge issue with the UK electorate you might want to check the polls on that subject. For once Cameron is actually reflecting the will of the majority, or at least what that majority consider to be their 'best interests'. I think the threat of expulsion from the EU would be met with wails of horror from Guardianistas, unbridled joy from the Torygraph and a huge wave of utter indifference from most. Until their employers explain the implications to them. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Caps on number of EU migrants is illegal. European Union needs to draw a line in the sand now with Cameron. A founding covenant of the EU is freedom of movement of workers and it has been a huge reason for the prosperity of nations over the past decades. Try do something illegal like limit movement - which is completely a political move so they can defend from UKIP - needs to be met with a full threat. United Kindom needs to be expelled from the European Union if it breaks the treaties it signed and as such the laws of Europe. The result will be a huge victory for Labour / Lib Dems in next election. I am really sick of politicians. Doing what's best for themselves to be re elected and not whats best interests of the electorate. Are you worried you'll be bussed back home you foreign devil? Honestly over here tekkin' our jobs. And watches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 22, 2014 Author Moderator Share Posted October 22, 2014 Why does no one ever challenge the Tories on this paying off the deficit nonsense? Cameron was again at it today in PMQ's They've now borrowed more money in this parliament than EVERY Labour Government combined. £548 BILLION in 4 years More proof that if you say it often enough people begin to believe it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Why does no one ever challenge the Tories on this paying off the deficit nonsense? Cameron was again at it today in PMQ's They've now borrowed more money in this parliament than EVERY Labour Government combined. £548 BILLION in 4 years More proof that if you say it often enough people begin to believe it. It's only a problem if you don't understand the terminology involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 22, 2014 Author Moderator Share Posted October 22, 2014 Why does no one ever challenge the Tories on this paying off the deficit nonsense? Cameron was again at it today in PMQ's They've now borrowed more money in this parliament than EVERY Labour Government combined. £548 BILLION in 4 years More proof that if you say it often enough people begin to believe it. It's only a problem if you don't understand the terminology involved. Maybe you should advise Gideon & Co then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 22, 2014 Moderator Share Posted October 22, 2014 What like Cameron, you mean Martin? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Why does no one ever challenge the Tories on this paying off the deficit nonsense? Cameron was again at it today in PMQ's They've now borrowed more money in this parliament than EVERY Labour Government combined. £548 BILLION in 4 years More proof that if you say it often enough people begin to believe it. There are two big, shocking failures by the Labour Party in this respect. One is not pointing out that the current government have increased the debt, contrary to what they claim. Since it's the centrepiece of what they laughably call their "long term economic plan" (ahahahahahaha - my aching sides), it's worth noting. More fundamentally, they should be pointing out that government debt is simply a vehicle for private sector savings. It's not required to fund government spending. It's not a sign of wanton excess, just a political choice to pay public money to rentiers instead of either increasing taxes or taking control of the money supply. Because they have failed to explain this, almost the entire public policy debate is conducted on the basis of the Tory narrative. Because the official Opposition don't contest this, broadcasters are under no obligation to do so either, it seems. And so the national debate is carried out in the corner of the room in which we have painted ourselves, while the elephant wanders about, unnoticed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Caps on number of EU migrants is illegal. European Union needs to draw a line in the sand now with Cameron. A founding covenant of the EU is freedom of movement of workers and it has been a huge reason for the prosperity of nations over the past decades. Try do something illegal like limit movement - which is completely a political move so they can defend from UKIP - needs to be met with a full threat. United Kindom needs to be expelled from the European Union if it breaks the treaties it signed and as such the laws of Europe. The result will be a huge victory for Labour / Lib Dems in next election. I am really sick of politicians. Doing what's best for themselves to be re elected and not whats best interests of the electorate. Are you worried you'll be bussed back home you foreign devil? Honestly over here tekkin' our jobs. And watches. Haha, yep that's it. I actually work for an Irish Company, just paid to be over here to fix yer banks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 'super, super Len super, super Len super, Super Len super Len Mccluskey' batshit crazy old lefty thinks the rich should pay their taxes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockingbird_franklin Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Why does no one ever challenge the Tories on this paying off the deficit nonsense? Cameron was again at it today in PMQ's They've now borrowed more money in this parliament than EVERY Labour Government combined. £548 BILLION in 4 years More proof that if you say it often enough people begin to believe it. It's only a problem if you don't understand the terminology involved. nice soundbite, how about some substance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 24, 2014 Moderator Share Posted October 24, 2014 I think Risso's comment was based on the fact it's not possible to "pay off" the "deficit" - hence the reference to terminology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I think Risso's comment was based on the fact it's not possible to "pay off" the "deficit" - hence the reference to terminology. Confusing debt with deficit is very easy to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockingbird_franklin Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) I think Risso's comment was based on the fact it's not possible to "pay off" the "deficit" - hence the reference to terminology it's not possible to pay of the debt either under current monetary policy Edited October 24, 2014 by mockingbird_franklin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 When have they said that the debt has gone down? I must have missed that. Of course they've increased the debt because we still have a massive deficit. The important thing is, how much is the deficit coming down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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