PaulC Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 (edited) 42 minutes ago, blandy said: India will win, but England's bowling was loose - Moeen in particular (rusty, I guess) and the batting was careless in several instances. India bowled better and batted better - the pitch has looked ropy from the start, though it has got worse. If England had won the toss & batted first (as badly as they did) I think India would still be on top. I guess India wouldnt perform as badly again and we made some changes. Olie Stone making his debut and Moeen having not played a test in so long. Edited February 14, 2021 by PaulC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 I think TMS made too much of the pitch. It is a variety that we should be expecting in India. Look at the wickets we lost. Stokes was bowled a pearler and so what if it's day 2. Sometimes that's what happens. I love 5 day tests the most, but the odd 3 or 4 day rollicking test is just as compelling and thrilling. We could have bowled tighter and batted better. 3 of ours went to a a seamer, Root's was a misjudgement and then the tail enders weren't given much of a chance. Foakes was very impressive. Glad he's doing his best while he has these 3 tests to impress. Obviously the toss is important, and perhaps the balance could be evened up a little, but I think part of the challenge of touring is supposed to be dealing with the those conditions we're not used to. It will be 1-1 probably be the day's end tomorrow, so still very much loads to play for going forward. Hopefully Moeen tightens up now he's had competitive overs under his belt for that test, though the day night scenario in India is intriguing. How much will spin still dominate? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted February 15, 2021 Moderator Share Posted February 15, 2021 Can't see this one going into a fourth day. Pitch has been poor, umpiring has been a little suspect, better team will win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted February 15, 2021 Moderator Share Posted February 15, 2021 Will India just bat out a full innings? 344 ahead now and looking like they might put on a 50 partnership for the 7th wicket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Poor bowling from England, Leach and Ali just running in and chucking it down the wicket, no plan it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 15, 2021 Moderator Share Posted February 15, 2021 17 hours ago, PaulC said: Ollie Stone making his debut Pedant alert: It's not his debut - he played against (I think) Pakistan before he got injured. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_avfc Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 The pitch is a bit of a joke - I know people will say its what you can expect in India but they've taken it to a bit of an extreme with this one. Its the sort of pitch that would see point deductions if it was produced in the County Championship. I think it highlights why India haven't lost a home series since 2012/13 though. One defeat and we get a pitch that resembles a beach with chunks of the pitch coming up from morning one. Having said that, we haven't played particularly well with bat or ball. I guess its hardly surprising that we don't have as good spin bowlers as India but the fact that our spinners can't even bowl particularly well on a pitch like that is why we'll always struggle in spin friendly conditions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhatAboutTheFinish Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 34 minutes ago, tom_avfc said: The pitch is a bit of a joke - I know people will say its what you can expect in India but they've taken it to a bit of an extreme with this one. I'm sure Indians would say that the pitch couldn't have been that bad if they managed to score 600+ runs on it...and that's pretty hard to argue with! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 we will be going well into a 4th day ( well depends how badly we bat ) so it cant' be that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_avfc Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 hour ago, WhatAboutTheFinish said: I'm sure Indians would say that the pitch couldn't have been that bad if they managed to score 600+ runs on it...and that's pretty hard to argue with! 1 hour ago, Rodders said: we will be going well into a 4th day ( well depends how badly we bat ) so it cant' be that bad. You're not going to convince me that this pitch isn't bad. The chunks coming out of the surface from ball one are enough to show that. The argument about whether the pitch or England's spin bowlers are worse is probably a good one. We won the first Test despite our spin bowlers being average at best because the pitch wasn't as bad as this one. I've seen people arguing that if England had won the toss its a different game. I don't think it is at all. Ashwin is going to have a field day on that pitch whenever he bowls in a way that Moeen Ali, Jack Leach and Dom Bess just aren't. If we continue to play on pitches like that then we lose the series 3-1 with games over as a contest within 2 days (however long this one drags out in the end). At the same time we play India at home in August. If we produce the greenest seam friendly pitches we can then we win that series comfortably with games over as a contest within a couple of days. I guess my question then is if that represents a fun sport to watch. Test cricket is dying a bit of a death as it is - producing such home friendly pitches isn't going to improve this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 5 hours ago, blandy said: Pedant alert: It's not his debut - he played against (I think) Pakistan before he got injured. Did he I thought it was Ireland which i didn't count 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 3 hours ago, tom_avfc said: You're not going to convince me that this pitch isn't bad. The chunks coming out of the surface from ball one are enough to show that. The argument about whether the pitch or England's spin bowlers are worse is probably a good one. We won the first Test despite our spin bowlers being average at best because the pitch wasn't as bad as this one. I've seen people arguing that if England had won the toss its a different game. I don't think it is at all. Ashwin is going to have a field day on that pitch whenever he bowls in a way that Moeen Ali, Jack Leach and Dom Bess just aren't. If we continue to play on pitches like that then we lose the series 3-1 with games over as a contest within 2 days (however long this one drags out in the end). At the same time we play India at home in August. If we produce the greenest seam friendly pitches we can then we win that series comfortably with games over as a contest within a couple of days. I guess my question then is if that represents a fun sport to watch. Test cricket is dying a bit of a death as it is - producing such home friendly pitches isn't going to improve this. They are better against Spin than us and if Agnew says its a bad wicket i believe it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted February 15, 2021 Moderator Share Posted February 15, 2021 5 hours ago, Rodders said: we will be going well into a 4th day ( well depends how badly we bat ) so it cant' be that bad. In fairness, that's only because India decided we will - they could have declared before lunch today and set us a target we'd be unable to chase down. Maybe they need the ticket money? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 15, 2021 Moderator Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 hour ago, PaulC said: Did he I thought it was Ireland which i didn't count Yeah, Ireland, that's right. It does count though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 50 minutes ago, blandy said: Yeah, Ireland, that's right. It does count though. it shouldn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 It seems that Moeen has been treated very poorly by Joe Root and the only cricket journalist who have any respect for is George Dobell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veloman Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Gadzooks ! What is happening at Warwickshire ?? Papers reporting that they have signed/nearly signed Pujara . (really good player IMO). Lets not do anything progressive Warks !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted February 24, 2021 Moderator Share Posted February 24, 2021 2-1. I know it's early but can I start panicking yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted February 24, 2021 Moderator Share Posted February 24, 2021 So we brought Bairstow in because he can play spin and he's out for the first ball of spin he's faced and used a pointless review? Smashing. 27-2. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 I really don’t like Jonny bairstow. Yes he can have good days but he’s so arrogant he wastes reviews all the time. He must have known he didn’t hit that so why review it immediately, didn’t even consult Crawley (who’s looked imperious so far). What a tool. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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