Popular Post mikeyjavfc Posted March 5 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted March 5 A team salary cap is the only fair way to both control club spending and keep the league competitive. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 31 minutes ago, mikeyjavfc said: A team salary cap is the only fair way to both control club spending and keep the league competitive. Works in other sports. Problem is would have to be Europe wide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 40 minutes ago, mikeyjavfc said: A team salary cap is the only fair way to both control club spending and keep the league competitive. 7 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: Works in other sports. Problem is would have to be Europe wide a salary cap the same for all PL clubs would work, a salary cap based on turnover/revenue would make the gap even harder to bridge, as some of the "big" clubs like Manure, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City, and even Spurs, have such a huge turnover compared to us, it would be a monumental task to even get close to them in terms of salary as a % of turnover. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 13 minutes ago, MaVilla said: a salary cap the same for all PL clubs would work, a salary cap based on turnover/revenue would make the gap even harder to bridge, as some of the "big" clubs like Manure, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City, and even Spurs, have such a huge turnover compared to us, it would be a monumental task to even get close to them in terms of salary as a % of turnover. Of course. It has to be same cap for all 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 minute ago, Kiwivillan said: Of course. It has to be same cap for all yep, agree, but will never happen though, tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, Kiwivillan said: Works in other sports. Problem is would have to be Europe wide Not if the PL cap is the highest of the top 5 leagues in Europe. Which based on total revenue for each league it should be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 7 minutes ago, Rightdm00 said: Not if the PL cap is the highest of the top 5 leagues in Europe. Which based on total revenue for each league it should be. yeah but Premier League agreeing a cap doesnt mean La Liga will for example. Not that all teams there could afford Premier League players but a few clubs still pay high wages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyjavfc Posted March 5 VT Supporter Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, Kiwivillan said: Works in other sports. Problem is would have to be Europe wide Why? La liga already has a team salary cap. It’s the reason why Barca struggle to register players each summer. Just apply an absolute cap linked to the average revenue of the teams in the league or some such. Set the level so it still allows the Premier League to still compete with the other leagues and top teams in Europe. Not difficult in a world where Villa, Everton, West Ham and Newcastle are already in the top 20 highest wage bills in Europe. Doesn’t even need to be low, or limiting, just reasonable and equal for all in the league. Would prevent stockpiling of players like Chelsea and City have done, and would encourage clever squad planning and management, and use of academies. But it would make too much sense and reward well run clubs so it will never be allowed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 hours ago, Rightdm00 said: In our present condition you aren't wrong. I see it this way. Without FFP our champions league team gets picked apart like Leicester City without anything we can do about it. Our owners eventually lose interest and down the league we go. With FFP it will take years of commitment by our owners but we can build our revenue base up to the point where we are essentially an equal to the PL top 4/5 in revenue. Spurs tripled their revenue in 9 years. I don't see why we can't do the same. Also the more that teams like Newcastle, us, Brighton, West Ham, etc get into Europe ahead of the likes of Spurs, Utd, Chelsea, etc - the more their revenues are impacted too. Yes it will be a smaller percentage of their revenue the first season they miss out on Europe, but it will become more of an issue the second and third seasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, Rightdm00 said: Not if the PL cap is the highest of the top 5 leagues in Europe. Which based on total revenue for each league it should be. Won’t happen without a new stadium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post allani Posted March 5 Popular Post Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, UpTheVilla26 said: I have zero clue on all this FFP crap and accounting etc... Therefore, I propose Villa give me a job of overseeing it all and next year we will post a £500 million profit. I think Everton already tried that tactic.... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icouldtelltheworld Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, Delphinho123 said: Won’t happen without a new stadium I think Everton already tried that tactic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 15 hours ago, mikeyjavfc said: A team salary cap is the only fair way to both control club spending and keep the league competitive. Won't work. Players can have their salaries capped, but nothing stopping an Abu Dhabi or Suadi based company (totally not affiliated with the owners of the respective clubs) from offering insane sponsorship deals to players as "incentives" to play for certain state owned clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Townsend Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Percy reporting Leicester have to sell, even if they win promotion, as they are in breach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 38 minutes ago, paul514 said: If there is anyone who thinks we may not comply this season then there can only be one or two I’ve not seen it on here. the trouble with increased CL/finishing place revenue is we can’t rely on it and therefore can’t spend accordingly or we will get in trouble when we don’t have it. its only a couple of teams that have been near guaranteed to get it each year and one of those didn’t finish in it last season. Yep - the battle for CL places is going to get more competitive too. I think there will be 7 or 8 teams who will think that they can finish in the top 5 next season (with varying degrees of confidence) and another couple who might think that if they have a special season they might be in the hunt. It makes it important that we don't bake CL qualification into our forecasts but it is also going to mean that the so called "Big 6" will have to start thinking a bit more carefully. It looks like Chelsea are going to miss out on Europe altogether for a second season in a row. Man Utd are closer to missing out on Europe altogether than they are a CL spot. Whilst the impact of European prize money / TV money is a much smaller percentage of their total revenues - it's not insignificant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 4 minutes ago, allani said: Yep - the battle for CL places is going to get more competitive too. I think there will be 7 or 8 teams who will think that they can finish in the top 5 next season (with varying degrees of confidence) and another couple who might think that if they have a special season they might be in the hunt. It makes it important that we don't bake CL qualification into our forecasts but it is also going to mean that the so called "Big 6" will have to start thinking a bit more carefully. It looks like Chelsea are going to miss out on Europe altogether for a second season in a row. Man Utd are closer to missing out on Europe altogether than they are a CL spot. Whilst the impact of European prize money / TV money is a much smaller percentage of their total revenues - it's not insignificant. Yea best to use it to bring down our FFP loss and see what happens next season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Interesting to note that the PL clubs involved in the next club World Cup that FIFA are running in the summer will get £55m. The gap between the top clubs and the rest will get bigger and bigger and FFP will mean you can't possibly catch up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewiek2 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 (edited) I know it's Joey Barton's podcast but the one with Keiran Maguire is interesting. In it Maguire says that the £105m figure was implemented in 2013 and hasn't changed since. This means that clubs are trying to operate at that year's 3 year cycle. The player salaries for Villa in 2013 were around £32.78m for the 13/14 season, compared to around £117m now. The issue with the FFP/PSR 3 year £105m is that it has stuck at that whilst the whole cost of football has sky rocketed. It hasn't changed with the economic landscape at all. Edited March 8 by stewiek2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 4 hours ago, stewiek2 said: I know it's Joey Barton's podcast but the one with Keiran Maguire is interesting. In it Maguire says that the £105m figure was implemented in 2013 and hasn't changed since. This means that clubs are trying to operate at that year's 3 year cycle. The player salaries for Villa in 2013 were around £32.78m for the 13/14 season, compared to around £117m now. The issue with the FFP/PSR 3 year £105m is that it has stuck at that whilst the whole cost of football has sky rocketed. It hasn't changed with the economic landscape at all. Very true, I have heard there has been meetings recently to increase the cycle amount. Now if that is for both the PL and europe I don't know. Unless its for both it is pointless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 5 minutes ago, paul514 said: Very true, I have heard there has been meetings recently to increase the cycle amount. Now if that is for both the PL and europe I don't know. Unless its for both it is pointless Yeah it should have at least gone up with inflation, or reflect TV income increases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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