Deano & Dalian's Umbrella Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) 4 minutes ago, allani said: The big red flag is that many of the alleged incidents referred to in this letter would be clear breaches of employment law that ANY lawyer specialising in this area would be confident of winning (if true). This would clearly be the route that almost all of the allegations should go down (and a lot of legal firms would take on with minimum up front fees). So why instead write an anonymous letter, post it on an anonymous Twitter account and copy in a load of fan groups who have pretty much no power / scope to do anything? It seems a very random approach. Particularly as in many cases the proper approach is so blatantly obvious - take your position to any legal firm and they'd pretty much be able to tell you in 30 minutes flat whether you have a case or not. I would imagine that if there were as many cases as alleged in this letter then there would be a lot of legal firms who would be more than delighted to have the opportunity for a big, straight-forward win. But this would not expose allegations of misleading fans and the FA or giving contracts to friends. It would only focus on things like unfair dismissals, discrcimination etc. Although going via the press who protect their sources might have been a safer route. I hope they used a VPN. Edited February 15 by Deano & Dalian's Umbrella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicVillan Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 This all sounds very plausible , seen things like this in places I've worked before. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Townsend Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 I get why people want to see the best in Heck and I get why people are skeptical of this letter. But to me it is plausible and as we have seen in numerous scandals over the past 50 years it is a crying shame when people don't take seriously those who have been mistreated and allow the perpetrators to continue for years and years. For that reason alone ai think we need to take this seriously and ensure proper investigation and protocols are adhered to. Let's not just dismiss it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Deano & Dalian's Umbrella said: As somebody who knows that even making claims that are true through correct channels can lead to people with lots of money attempting to ruin your life with years of expensive defamation action, I would have advised that these complaints were addressed through correct channels such as employment tribunals, the health and safety executive and the FA and not posted on the internet. I really hope they can't be identified but I respect their bravery. Was just about to say. Whether true or not, if anyone felt this was way the way to proceed with this, it doesn't paint a picture of anyone who actually " loves the club ". It also doesn't paint a picture of anyone with any sort of professional integrity. Seems like either defamation, a disgruntled employee, or even someone who has created a storm due to disliking Heck etc as many of us know. Either way, it's a terrible look from multiple angles, if someone has gone out of their way to create and publicise this, they could be in a world of shite. Just my opinion though. Edited February 15 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mic09 Posted February 15 Popular Post Share Posted February 15 Let me spoiler the next 12 months for everyone; 1. Heck chooses the new badge 2. Heck gets sacked 3. New director wants a new badge and revisits the North Stand plans. I'll see you in 12 months! 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Wow IF that is all true. Heck and Hatton really have no choice but to be fired. Sad thing is the owners appointed them both? So sadly they must take responsibility for hiring such people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hev Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 39 minutes ago, villa89 said: You don't need to wonder really, it's been leaked by internal members of staff at Villa to show that our CEO and his cronies are destroying the club. Bring back Purslow, all is forgiven. Purslow did a lot of good here i think Unfortunately a lot of fans never forgave him for hiring his supposed "mate" Stevie G. Would he come back though? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 At this point we should just sack Heck off back to the states true or not the arsehole 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Absolutely no **** surprise. Stop attending the meetings supporters clubs. This man is a cretin. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 3 minutes ago, Hev said: Purslow did a lot of good here i think Unfortunately a lot of fans never forgave him for hiring his supposed "mate" Stevie G. Would he come back though? He's welcome to come back and do his job and leave all the football to Monchi and Emery. That's why he left, and it's why he probably won't be back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano & Dalian's Umbrella Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 14 minutes ago, Captain_Townsend said: I get why people want to see the best in Heck and I get why people are skeptical of this letter. But to me it is plausible and as we have seen in numerous scandals over the past 50 years it is a crying shame when people don't take seriously those who have been mistreated and allow the perpetrators to continue for years and years. For that reason alone ai think we need to take this seriously and ensure proper investigation and protocols are adhered to. Let's not just dismiss it. Big corporations with money are very good at discrediting whistleblowers so I always like to give them the benefit of the doubt. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 39 minutes ago, Mister_a said: He thinks it's the US where you can just do stuff like that. You can't in the UK. Indeed. I bet he is looking for a way to force people to only have 10 days holiday leave a year and anybody who doesn't work from 7 till 8 at night for shit money and no benefits isn't a 'team player' we have offices over the pond in our company and I'd rather be dead than subscribe to their ethos. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted February 15 Popular Post Share Posted February 15 7 minutes ago, Hev said: Purslow did a lot of good here i think Unfortunately a lot of fans never forgave him for hiring his supposed "mate" Stevie G. Would he come back though? Fans attitudes towards Purslow were also non sensical and hyperbolic as well imo. Same.bloke was chanting with Villa fans in the stands months after leaving. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talldarkandransome Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Cronies cover their arses usually. Wouldn't want Villa dirtied by any of this kind of thing, bin em off quick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rodders0223 Posted February 15 Popular Post Share Posted February 15 Said it before. Say it again. Unai is saving the bacon of a lot of cocksuckers at this club that have trampled all over what this club stands for in the brief time they've been here. Hospitality. Ticket prices. Shithole facilities. Selling of academy players who've been here since 8 year old. That's just fans. I know a lot of people associated in the club have been made to feel worthless. This guy is a **** word removed Trust. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 I’d also urge anyone impacted by the mental health side of things to contact the Equalities and Human Rights Committee. There are legal obligations the club must adhere to and make reasonable adjustments for. Issues like depression might fall under disability. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 And I've also said it before and was widely laughed at. I've never felt more disassociated with this club than I have now. Everything we stand to believe in is being eroded and people can't see it. Pray the Don doesn't leave us 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) 35 minutes ago, allani said: The big red flag is that many of the alleged incidents referred to in this letter would be clear breaches of employment law that ANY lawyer specialising in this area would be confident of winning (if true). This would clearly be the route that almost all of the allegations should go down (and a lot of legal firms would take on with minimum up front fees). The vast majority of people who are mistreated by their employer just leave and find another job somewhere else. They don't go down the legal route for loads of really obvious reasons. And as mentioned in the letter employees would expect HR and the internal procedures to be followed, when your own HR department aren't doing anything to protect you its easier to just walk away. Quote So why instead write an anonymous letter, post it on an anonymous Twitter account and copy in a load of fan groups who have pretty much no power / scope to do anything? It seems a very random approach. It seems an extremely sensible approach to me. Now the fans will kick up a fuss and start asking questions which will get the media involved. The letter also can't be traced back to anyone in particular. Hopefully they succeed in unionising, that sounds like what's needed here. Edited February 15 by villa89 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) Given how poorly written that document is, I'm of the feeling that it was written by a single person and not, as signed, by a collective of Villa staff. It may well be a set of feelings shared by multiple staff members though. This suggests to me it's someone with an axe to grind, and a lot more time on their hands to put their thoughts on a page than the average employee. Quite possibly an ex-employee. It also may explain why this person felt it was better to get it shared widely on social media rather than taking some of those complaints to a law firm or escalating them within the club. The course of action taken and the way it's been done suggests it isn't a person that knows their rights or how they'd be best served. None of that means it isn't true though. Be interesting to see if Villa even acknowledge this, let alone deny it. Social media is a cess pit of nonsense for the most part, and they'd only give it more credence if they did acknowledge it. Edited February 15 by MrBlack 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DakotaVilla Posted February 15 Popular Post Share Posted February 15 It’s open knowledge that morale amongst staff at VP has been incredibly low and much of what has been stated in that letter has been whispered about for some time. That’s one of the reasons some of us were so anti Heck for some time. This will get picked up by the media and club will have to conduct an investigation. The facts will then emerge but there has been far too much smoke here for far too long. Hopefully there’s enough to prove he’s broken his employment contract and he can then be fired without being paid out. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts