est1874 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 "Nass" and "Heck". Says it all really None of you know either of these men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 7 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: I can answer that for you. Man in the chair having to face up to the incoming lower grounds and holte suite cobblers (he could have cancelled them of course, like the badge he decided to biff) Cancelled the expansion (which I personally agree with, don't like the sneaky way they did it though with a stealth announcement) Made a total mess of the badge (vile, disgusting, unforgivable for me - protests should happen) Yes I wouldnt even mind if he cancelled the North stand and told us a legitimate reason why. But just to spout complete shit to our faces that any Villa fan would immediately know was a bare-faced lie is just bad. Then to spout more bullshit about how the badge is taking into account fans views. Just stop lying please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 NSWE knew what they were getting with Heck. They would have done due diligence on him. He has been hired to bludgeon Aston Villa forwards. To piss people off , make un popular decisions and to get us working far better commercially off the field. He will be gone in 2 or 3 years once everything is in place i guess. These decisions will not have been made without multiple presentations/ meetings/ meetings about meetings with the Exec board 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 minute ago, est1874 said: "Nass" and "Heck". Says it all really None of you know either of these men. Exactly. We can only judge them from their actions and I know which one of them I’d have with me if I’m stranded on a desert island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 7 minutes ago, ender4 said: Exactly. We can only judge them from their actions and I know which one of them I’d have with me if I’m stranded on a desert island. Exactly nothing, once again, you don't know enough about either of them to make that judgement. "Actions" - what actions they're businessmen. Are you weighing their deeds like some kind of weird omniscient business-of-football deity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) 47 minutes ago, sidcow said: If you believe Heck got some deal out of Adidas that Nass didn't instigate you're extremely naive. You're becoming to Heck... What you used to defend Purslow against mate * Not just you obviously. I've seen these semantics with everything from players through to Manager over the years. The more someone is liked, the more they are responsible for, the less we like them the more they do sod all positive and are useless. And yes obviously Nassef would have heavy pull here, but ours don't strike me as the types to do straight up quid pro quo for deals, I think we prefer to earn on merit If I'm honest though, I'd much prefer they swung " it " about to their advantage instead of always being so clean Edited January 9 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted January 9 VT Supporter Share Posted January 9 Wouldn't surprise me if it was Heck that negotiated the Adidas deal, or at least figureheaded it. I'd have though Nassef getting too involved would be seen as a bit of a conflict of interest by some, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 34 minutes ago, Risso said: I don't think it's unreasonable to think that Nas, who's on the board at Adidas, might have had slightly more to do with it. I'm sure it was a part of it. But then why have we never had a deal with them previously? Just a coincidence that we get a major deal after bringing in a guy who specialised in getting major deals in his old job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 37 minutes ago, ender4 said: Really? You think Heck managed to get a better deal from Adidas than the biggest shareholder in Adidas could have got without Heck’s help. Repeating myself. But why didn't we have a major Adidas deal previously then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 41 minutes ago, ender4 said: Really? You think Heck managed to get a better deal from Adidas than the biggest shareholder in Adidas could have got without Heck’s help. Then why have we had Castore for the last few seasons and not Adidas? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I think it's way more nuanced than people are suggesting, Sawiris could have convinced Adidas now to supply our kit and could have used his connections to help with that, but that doesn't mean he would have been able to do the same previously when we weren't in as attractive position. It's said that Sawiris brought in Emery, could equally ask why didn't he do this earlier, probably because so weren't in a position earlier to attract such a manager. Or maybe when Sawiris gets angry he takes things into his owns, Gerrard was seen as a costly mistake, so Sawiris took control, and similar thing probably happened with Castore shirts, he probably thought, wet look shirts, the players complaining, it's not a good look, I'm not having this, and did his best to get Adidas Pretty sure it was the Telegraph article today that states that Sawiris was the main instigator of the deal, if one is going to belive the story at all then why not believe that detail, I'm sure Heck helped as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 minutes ago, useless said: I think it's way more nuanced than people are suggesting, Sawiris could have convinced Adidas now to supply our kit and could have used his connections to help with that, but that doesn't mean he would have been able to do the same previously when we weren't in as attractive position. It's said that Sawiris brought in Emery, could equally ask why didn't he do this earlier, probably because so weren't in a position earlier to attract such a manager. Or maybe when Sawiris gets angry he takes things into his owns, Gerrard was seen as a costly mistake, so Sawiris took control, and similar thing probably happened with Castore shirts, he probably thought, wet look shirts, the players complaining, it's not a good look, I'm not having this, and did his best to get Adidas Pretty sure it was the Telegraph article today that states that Sawiris was the main instigator of the deal, if one is going to belive the story at all then why not believe that detail, I'm sure Heck helped as well From the article: “The deal was overseen by the club’s billionaire Egyptian owner Nassef Sawiris, who owns around seven per cent of the German company…” “…The club’s new president of business operations Chris Heck was also involved centrally in the negotiations to complete the Adidas deal which will see Villa’s Castore agreement come to an end.“ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaVilla Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Sawiris would have clearly opened the door with his connections at Adidas and requested priority support at board level. However the negotiation would have been likely left to Heck with Nas supporting informally in the background. Let’s wait until we see the details of the commercial deal to see how close we are to the deal that Newcastle got but it would be churlish to not give Heck any credit for this. It’s a huge step in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 34 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Repeating myself. But why didn't we have a major Adidas deal previously then? Impossible to know. But like the Gerrard appointment, perhaps Nas was happy to leave those sorts of decisions to Purslow to start with. Maybe Castore were offering people like us and Newcastle silly money to build their brand ahead of the more established suppliers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I remember Purslow talking a bit about kit deals when he first arrived, saying how difficult it was to manage initially after being promoted via the play offs. One moment you're a Championship club, then 90 minutes later you're a Premier League club and everything changes. From memory, it wasn't really Luke and Kappa as kit suppliers was it, the deal was with Fanatics with design being done by Luke and Kappa. And Fanatics had done the Bucks kits so maybe that intro came from Wes. But anyway, impossible to say how much influence Heck has had on this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caravella82 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 With risk of sounding like Roy Keane, I don't see why Heck is getting credit of lack of credit for this deal. It's his job. Making up poor excuses involving unsold tickets for why you don't want the North Stand redevelopment to go ahead rather, or presenting fans with a crest survey one year after the previous one just because you didn't like the previous results. That's not his job. He will struggle to convince me he is concerned about anything other than self promotion. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Townsend Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 minute ago, Caravella82 said: With risk of sounding like Roy Keane, I don't see why Heck is getting credit of lack of credit for this deal. It's his job. Making up poor excuses involving unsold tickets for why you don't want the North Stand redevelopment to go ahead rather, or presenting fans with a crest survey one year after the previous one just because you didn't like the previous results. That's not his job. He will struggle to convince me he is concerned about anything other than self promotion. Correct. And the North Stand was badly needed. That delay probably ensures we have inadequate capacity and facilities for the next decade. It is a disastrously short sighted decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caravella82 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Just now, Caravella82 said: With risk of sounding like Roy Keane, I don't see why Heck is getting credit of lack of credit for this deal. It's his job. Making up poor excuses involving unsold tickets for why you don't want the North Stand redevelopment to go ahead rather, or presenting fans with a crest survey one year after the previous one just because you didn't like the previous results. That's not his job. He will struggle to convince me he is concerned about anything other than self promotion. Plus I really don't think Villa are a hard sell at this point in time. I'd imagine Tom Fox could have got us a good deal if he'd been surrounded by Emery, Sawiris and Edens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anything11 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 2 hours ago, MWARLEY2 said: NSWE knew what they were getting with Heck. They would have done due diligence on him. He has been hired to bludgeon Aston Villa forwards. To piss people off , make un popular decisions and to get us working far better commercially off the field. He will be gone in 2 or 3 years once everything is in place i guess. These decisions will not have been made without multiple presentations/ meetings/ meetings about meetings with the Exec board I think this is correct. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kurtsimonw Posted January 10 Popular Post Share Posted January 10 3 hours ago, ender4 said: Really? You think Heck managed to get a better deal from Adidas than the biggest shareholder in Adidas could have got without Heck’s help. Yes. Because that's his job and despite NS being here for 4 years we've got a dodgy Castore deal? 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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