Popular Post Vive_La_Villa Posted July 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 23, 2023 In terms of the quality of our signings this summer we’ve clearly finally raised the standard. Exciting season ahead. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Just now, Vive_La_Villa said: In terms of the quality of our signings this summer we’ve clearly finally raised the standard. Exciting season ahead. Yeah, very pleasing to see and it’s about time. Well done Unai and Monchi. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) 18 hours ago, allani said: I think we are after a 10 who can also play as a striker. So we can play both when they are both available and then if Ollie is out we have the option of either starting the 10 up front or starting Archer. I think having a new 10 and Diaby means that taking Ollie off after 60/70 mins is less risky (than it is with Buendia / Bailey) and so - assuming Archer doesn't go on loan - we'd be able to play him into the team without there being an immediate pressure on him to be our primary goal threat. I think Luke Robinson ( UTV) has a point, when he says Ollie will be the main forward, nobody is coming in to replace him....That is the way I see it too. With a better start last season, he would have scored 20 odd goals....He is the go to forward in our team. Many permutations of support, maybe be sourced, but I think Archer has earned his chance. I don't see a big money striker coming in to unseat Ollie( we saw that with Ings and it didn't work)....but I could be wrong. I don't want to tempt fate, but check out his appearances.....He has a very good injury free record, too. Edited July 23, 2023 by TRO 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaLion63 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 If Ollie gets injured we're still light up front. Archer could come good but it's a big 'if' , the premiership is not the championship. I think we still need proven quality alternative / competition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 12 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: In terms of the quality of our signings this summer we’ve clearly finally raised the standard. Exciting season ahead. I'd like to believe that was always the long term plan Its been one hell of a journey to get here with Smith, suso, Gerrard, lange and now unai and monchi but that turnover and increase in quality was always happening, we couldn't make such a jump and sign Diaby or tielemans 2 years ago, we weren't there 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman22 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 I find it hard to believe how far we have come in 4 years. That first summer window after promotion under DS was crazy. I just looked at the number again. We signed 12 players for a total of 156mil. Wes and Mings were approx. 50mil of that so the remaining players were on average 10m each. Players like Targett, Marv, ElGhazi, Trez. Then having to go and buy Ally Samata in Jan after Mee ended Wes’ career. No offence to them, they kept us in the league. We’re now in a different world, dropping big sums on top international players and also picking up a player like Tielemans on a free. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, VillaLion63 said: If Ollie gets injured we're still light up front. Archer could come good but it's a big 'if' , the premiership is not the championship. I think we still need proven quality alternative / competition. I think its going to be extremely difficult to have another top level striker to keep happy......Its easier to keep the "young guns" happy with them in development. It happens to a degree with Haaland and Alvarez....you won't get a really top level striker playing second fiddle to Haaland( if he is out they will miss him, just like Kane).....Alvarez scored 9 in 31 last season in the league, in a free scoring title winning side.....I think Archer could do that, with us. I also see Jacob, being more prolific, this season. We simply can't cover every eventuality....we also have to me mindful of the Youth Pathway with Duran, Wilson , Kellyman etc. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Delphinho123 Posted July 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 23, 2023 25 minutes ago, VillaLion63 said: If Ollie gets injured we're still light up front. Archer could come good but it's a big 'if' , the premiership is not the championship. I think we still need proven quality alternative / competition. We will. But it won’t be an out and out striker. Somebody like a Ferran Torres or Brennan Johnson who are comfortable playing as a striker centrally or supporting from out wide. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 36 minutes ago, VillaLion63 said: If Ollie gets injured we're still light up front. Archer could come good but it's a big 'if' , the premiership is not the championship. I think we still need proven quality alternative / competition. If x player from top 6 club gets injured they'll be light. Most clubs will struggle with hypothetical injuries. I truly believe Emery nouse protects us against this more than many teams. I don't think he wants to play 2 strikers or carry a big money striker on the bench so that negates that signing wish for many. Bardell has talked about multi function players on podcasts and I think Diaby fills that role 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinRichardsonsMoustache Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 I think it's all about the outgoings now. There are the obvious ones (Hause, Davis, Wes, some loans for the young players etc), but Emery showed a ruthless/pragmatic side when he let go of Ings in January so I'd not be surprised if at least one of the outgoings is a bit of a surprise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted July 23, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 23, 2023 58 minutes ago, TRO said: I think Luke Robinson ( UTV) has a point, when he says Ollie will be the main forward, nobody is coming in to replace him....That is the way I see it too. With a better start last season, he would have scored 20 odd goals....He is the go to forward in our team. Many permutations of support, maybe be sourced, but I think Archer has earned his chance. I don't see a big money striker coming in to unseat Ollie( we saw that with Ings and it didn't work)....but I could be wrong. I don't want to tempt fate, but check out his appearances.....He has a very good injury free record, too. That's the way I see it too. The only attacking playerci can see coming in is a 10 that could fill in the forward position, but that would mean the end of Coutinho. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, VillaLion63 said: If Ollie gets injured we're still light up front. Archer could come good but it's a big 'if' , the premiership is not the championship. I think we still need proven quality alternative / competition. Many of us thought Ings was going to be a that player, some of this proven Quality, is a big "If" too....look at Richarlison and Scamacca, who haven't lived up to their fee's. I don't know, for sure, if Archer will do it in the Prem.....my gut tells me he will......everything is a risk. Its not Monopoly money. We have to be sure, as sure can be, we are spending it wisely ( so far, it looks really good)......However, These young boys get to a stage, where they have to complete, their learning with the big boys, if we don't give Cam a chance, we will never know.....Gary Shaw was 17 when he made his debut, but he was given a chance....sure times have changed, this league is more physical, with less space to play in and extremely fast.....but IMO Cam has earned his chance....and I think UE will give it him. We can't keep over looking what we already have under our nose. Edited July 23, 2023 by TRO 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Nigel said: That's the way I see it too. The only attacking playerci can see coming in is a 10 that could fill in the forward position, but that would mean the end of Coutinho. I have a hunch, we could see a fit Coutinho, rekindle his early form with us.....particularly with the Guile we are bringing in, to link with....I haven't entirely given up on him. We will soon know what, UE thinks who see's him in training and pre-season games. I don't see a RB or GK coming in either, not sure if Dendoncker or Chambers leave either....decent utility players......just my opinion. I think 2 more will come in.....Attacking Mid and another winger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 1 hour ago, VillaLion63 said: If Ollie gets injured we're still light up front. Archer could come good but it's a big 'if' , the premiership is not the championship. I think we still need proven quality alternative / competition. That will be Diaby I think. If he's playing he can just slot across and we'll move one of our endless midfielders out wide. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, TRO said: Many of us thought Ings was going to be a that player, some of this proven Quality, is a big "If" too....look at Richarlison and Scammaca, who haven't lived up to their fee's. I don't know, for sure, if Archer will do it in the Prem.....my gut tells me he will......everything is a risk. Its not Monopoly money. We have to be sure, as sure can be, we are spending it wisely ( so far, it looks really good)......However, These young boys get to a stage, where they have to complete, their learning with the big boys, if we don't give Cam a chance, we will never know.....Gary Shaw was 17 when he made his debut, but he was given a chance....sure times have changed, this league is more physical, with less space to play in and extremely fast.....but IMO Cam has earned his chance....and I think UE will give it him. We can't keep over looking what we already have under our nose. West Ham have signed forwards for years that have flopped as long as I can remember and they played Antonio up top loads who was played at RB and RWB several seasons ago so I'm really not worried about no big striker signings. No big team has played 2 strikers for ages in most leagues. If Haaland got injured long term at City who they play? Alvarez? He's basically Diaby type. These wish posts about big money 2nd striker have always been tedious to me as I don't think Emery wants one and I'm quite happy for Archer to get some game time with these extra games 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, KevinRichardsonsMoustache said: I think it's all about the outgoings now. There are the obvious ones (Hause, Davis, Wes, some loans for the young players etc), but Emery showed a ruthless/pragmatic side when he let go of Ings in January so I'd not be surprised if at least one of the outgoings is a bit of a surprise. Dendoncker would fit the bill (rumoured to be available) but I’d like us to bring in a replacement if that happened because Kamara would be the only true or out and out DM we have… I’d rather have someone more specialised in that role covering for when Bouba is out or needs resting than someone having to adapt, even if they did it well last season… Happy to see Olsen sold and replaced/upgraded but I have a weird and worrying feeling that he’ll be sticking around… That’s the thing.. I feel if we sell certain players, we will need to bring in replacements for the sake of having a squad and good options… and they’d likely cost us more than the fees we’d bring in from those sales… Cash or Digne would be a surprise/shock sale, for instance, but we’d absolutely have to sign a quality RB/LB in that case… Bailey or Coutinho leaving would leave us short in the same way too… The obvious ones (as you’ve mentioned) can be offloaded without much effect/impact… Chambers may stick around due to his versatility… he provides reasonable cover. Traore could do the same for his final year… Offloading the “deadwood” would leave us with a fairly compact squad but also good options and alternatives… I’m confident that another one or two quality signings are on the way, but they may arrive late in the window… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MWARLEY2 Posted July 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 23, 2023 IMO Archer is ready. He has done everything he possibly could . You cannot ignore such goalscoring ability when you have a team that otherwise has one experienced no 9 and a 19 yr old Colimbian rookie. He will only get more and more powerful as he ages. And he plays with his head up. A long time before this player plateaus I reckon . Put it this way. Imo you would have to pay upwards of 30 mill to improve him and thats just currently. And we dont have that kind of money down the back of the sofa. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Just now, MWARLEY2 said: IMO Archer is ready. He has done everything he possibly could . You cannot ignore such goalscoring ability when you have a team that otherwise has one experienced no 9 and a 19 yr old Colimbian rookie. He will only get more and more powerful as he ages. And he plays with his head up. A long time before this player plateaus I reckon . Put it this way. Imo you would have to pay upwards of 30 mill to improve him and thats just currently. And we dont have that kind of money down the back of the sofa. I don’t see how much more he’d need to prove himself at Championship level… maybe a loan to a foreign league such as La Liga would be beneficial for his development if he’s not going to be heavily involved but… he has a chance to impress now, during preseason and in these friendlies. Unai will be able to assess him. And good on him for joining up with the squad asap… Hopefully he’ll get plenty of minutes and show his worth. If he doesn’t grasp this opportunity (I feel he will) then we couldn’t really blame Unai for bringing in another attacker… Let’s see how he gets on… looking forward to watching these games… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: West Ham have signed forwards for years that have flopped as long as I can remember and they played Antonio up top loads who was played at RB and RWB several seasons ago so I'm really not worried about no big striker signings. No big team has played 2 strikers for ages in most leagues. If Haaland got injured long term at City who they play? Alvarez? He's basically Diaby type. These wish posts about big money 2nd striker have always been tedious to me as I don't think Emery wants one and I'm quite happy for Archer to get some game time with these extra games I agree.....If you play another striker ( 2) it means you could be doing so, at the expense of a creator......Creating chances is the hardest thing in football, IMO. I always remember the Arsene Wenger interview....where a journalist reminded him (after a high scoring win, after a barren spell), that his striker got his shooting boots back on.....Wenger responded by saying " Teams score goals"......I tend to agree with him. Sure, it needs a finisher....like a jeweller needs a polisher.....but, I agree with Wenger, and my suspicion is UE will see it that way too. I wouldn't be surprised, if another striker, does not come in. Edited July 23, 2023 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishywashy Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 I felt that especially under Gerrard and early Emery we seemed to get worse the more possession we had (no source). Only natural, given how Villa's squad has been constructed to heavily suit counter-attacking football (as most of the players were signed under Smith's watch). So excited to watch Tielemans and Torres who are elite technicians and are comfortable in possession. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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