TRO Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 4 hours ago, Keyblade said: Explain what, why Pochettino would be an amazing signing? Because he's an exceptional manager, simple as that. His career win percentages vary, thats not an opinion, its fact....sure they have got better as he has presided over better players.....that is a crucial part of a managers success, getting the right players. You may ignore, dismiss, or simply don't value win percentages.....thats fine, because it is only a thumb rule guide......but a wide range of sources produce them, so I guess, they don't think they are wasting their time.....in fact, clubs have been known to hire managers on the basis......There are more sophisticated formula's produced, to satisfy the data fetishes......I am not one, so simple guides will do me. Poch, could be good for us....but nothing is certain and my point is, he has had times where it hasn't been that great, and that could be us.....as hypothetical as it is. Graham Potter is similar...albeit now out of the equation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 On 15/09/2022 at 14:02, IrishVilla10 said: If you want to go the win percentage route, which is pointless if you’re not going to consider the circumstances then I can give you a very good example of why it’s not black and white. Eddie Howes win % at Bournemouth in the premier league was 29%, not great but there’s obvious reasons why. His current win percentage with Newcastle is just over 40%. Yeah....and this season he has won 1 in 6, the same as SG, but the 4 draws, make it more credible and the better defensive stats, more believable. Last season, he hadn't won a game, until he bought players in Jan, and they was pragmatic signings that made a difference. We bought players that made us worse in terms of garnered points. I have never, suggested it is black and white.....but sometimes we all comment, without huge sophisticated reference, time dictating....you might like to factor that in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 1 hour ago, messi11 said: Wont suprise me, proper run club Yeah and they have a vacancy.....we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 16 hours ago, Sulberto21 said: Pochettino left a legacy at Southampton - their current playing style is similar to what he instilled albeit hassenhuttel plays with a different formation. A few Rangers supporters I know are telling me their football has improved under Van-Bronckhurst . The only legacy Gerrard will leave here is a turgid one. Give us the good news already Pochettino you know you want to. Koeman and Puel seemed to reign over their best period (2013-2017) since 2017-18 they have languished in the lower section of the league. Poch was there 18mths played 60 won 23 drawn 18 lost 19...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted September 16, 2022 Author Share Posted September 16, 2022 29 minutes ago, TRO said: Yeah and they have a vacancy.....we don't. Tonight we might Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 1 hour ago, TRO said: His career win percentages vary, thats not an opinion, its fact....sure they have got better as he has presided over better players.....that is a crucial part of a managers success, getting the right players. You may ignore, dismiss, or simply don't value win percentages.....thats fine, because it is only a thumb rule guide......but a wide range of sources produce them, so I guess, they don't think they are wasting their time.....in fact, clubs have been known to hire managers on the basis......There are more sophisticated formula's produced, to satisfy the data fetishes......I am not one, so simple guides will do me. Poch, could be good for us....but nothing is certain and my point is, he has had times where it hasn't been that great, and that could be us.....as hypothetical as it is. Graham Potter is similar...albeit now out of the equation. It's easy to look at numbers without considering context. Without context, those numbers are meaningless. As a relevant example, Steven Gerrard had a 64% win ratio at Rangers. Without any context, that looks amazing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 55 minutes ago, Keyblade said: It's easy to look at numbers without considering context. Without context, those numbers are meaningless. As a relevant example, Steven Gerrard had a 64% win ratio at Rangers. Without any context, that looks amazing. Not great when Alex McLeish had 66 percent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Zatman said: Not great when Alex McLeish had 66 percent That's where context comes in. Rangers weren't the force they were in the early 2000's. Win percentages on their own are completely meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 59 minutes ago, Keyblade said: That's where context comes in. Rangers weren't the force they were in the early 2000's. Win percentages on their own are completely meaningless. While that could be argued, Celtic still had a superior team They had Henrik Larsson who was a cheat code Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 For the next manager i would hope we throw him out the interview if he presents his philosophy and Plan A style of playing with no real depth to plan b plan c and plan d. Unless you are at the very top it needs to be different every week . Liverpool play the same week in and week out and even they are starting to get found out , especially if Thiago isnt playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 35 minutes ago, Zatman said: While that could be argued, Celtic still had a superior team They had Henrik Larsson who was a cheat code Celtic is only 2 games a year, not going to affect win percentage too much. That's when you look into trophies won etc, there's a huge picture that encompasses way more than 1 silly stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted September 16, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 16, 2022 (edited) NO MORE STEVE'S!! Or Stevie's, Steven's, Stephen's or any other iteration of the name Edited September 16, 2022 by Villan_of_oz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted September 16, 2022 Author Share Posted September 16, 2022 (edited) NO MORE DINOSAUR FOOTBALL!! Edited September 16, 2022 by messi11 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 No more apprentices!! We're not a f**** youth training scheme opportunity for upcoming managers to learn on the job! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 43 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: No more apprentices!! We're not a f**** youth training scheme opportunity for upcoming managers to learn on the job! That’s exactly what Carragher seems to think we are. More concerning is that SG is now talking as if he’s turned the team around and rescued us from the mess we were in. Conveniently forgetting it was his mess and we struggled to win a home game against a very poor Southampton. I thought the remit is always constant progression. I don’t think it counts if you lower the starting point yourself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted September 17, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 17, 2022 LOUD NOISES!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 I’d rather have Steve Bruce rather than Steve Gerrard as the manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 19 hours ago, messi11 said: Wont suprise me, proper run club We are very well run too. Brighton are simply flavour of the month. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 16 minutes ago, The_Steve said: We are very well run too. Brighton are simply flavour of the month. Maybe at youth team level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 16 hours ago, Keyblade said: It's easy to look at numbers without considering context. Without context, those numbers are meaningless. As a relevant example, Steven Gerrard had a 64% win ratio at Rangers. Without any context, that looks amazing. who is looking at it without context?....thats your assumption. Win percentages are facts.....some of the context you allude to could be opinions. I don't think so many sources would produce them, if they were not of reasonable credibility.....of course other criteria has to be factored in and Scotland is a 2 horse race......I haven't mentioned his record in scotland for that reason. but that could be said, about our top 6.......their win percentages are good, mainly due to having the better quality players.....but you still have to WIN the games, no matter who you are, and what league you are in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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