Xela Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 1 hour ago, The_Steve said: Newcastle aren’t paying anyone £400k either though. Hence why they’ve been so desperate in the market. Exactly. They'll be paying the sam sort of wages we will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, Xela said: Exactly. They'll be paying the sam sort of wages we will. Dont they have a more relaxed FFP threshold because of Ashley cheapness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 13 minutes ago, Zatman said: Dont they have a more relaxed FFP threshold because of Ashley cheapness Still blows their wage structure though doesn't it And its a bad place for them to start, £400k a week this summer sets one hell of a benchmark for all the big names they'll supposedly be buying every window moving forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chindie Posted April 22, 2022 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2022 Newcastle will have a deal to be sponsored by Saudi Bonesaws for the market rate of £AsMuchAsIsRequired soon enough. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chicken Field Posted April 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2022 Since the 2012/2013 season, excluding academy players (Grealish the only worth mentioning), we have sold 2, TWO, players for a profit (as far as I could find), Benteke and Delph. We have in the same period, sold three players for more than £10m, Grealish, Benteke and Delph. This is just an incredibly bad record, even the best and richest clubs in the world occasionally sell players on, even Man city and Liverpool. Looking at the players that have left on a free or retired at young ages, some of which we spent fortunes on, including Bent, N'zgobia, Lescott, Richards, McCormack, Hutton and so on and so on. Unsustainable and no wonder we nearly went bankrupt. We must learn from our history and not be scared of letting players go. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HalfTimePost Posted April 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Chicken Field said: Since the 2012/2013 season, excluding academy players (Grealish the only worth mentioning), we have sold 2, TWO, players for a profit (as far as I could find), Benteke and Delph. We have in the same period, sold three players for more than £10m, Grealish, Benteke and Delph. This is just an incredibly bad record, even the best and richest clubs in the world occasionally sell players on, even Man city and Liverpool. Looking at the players that have left on a free or retired at young ages, some of which we spent fortunes on, including Bent, N'zgobia, Lescott, Richards, McCormack, Hutton and so on and so on. Unsustainable and no wonder we nearly went bankrupt. We must learn from our history and not be scared of letting players go. Yup. It's the one thing that I think maybe I'm just not used to when it comes to this summer. Do I envisage Luiz or McGinn being massive players for us next season? Possibly, I can see it could happen but we've been waiting 3 Premier League seasons for it to come to fruition. I still think they both could! I'd love to see it and it'd be great for us. But... McGinn has been touted at around £40-50m. We turned down £35m for Luiz just a few months ago. It's a big change for the club to have players we *could* lose, replace and not be completely crippled by selling. Will take some adjusting for a lot of fans. Whether it's them, Mings, Konsa, Watkins, Ings, Targett, even Davis we have assets at the club with value behind them - value we literally have not had at the club for a decade. The big change - and most important one - is for us to start getting it right on which ones to cash in on at the right time, and not lose the ones that still have a lot to offer. That's where I'm worried about this summer. But financially, for the health of the club, we're in a much better position than we've been for a long time 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calcifer Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 20 hours ago, The_Steve said: Newcastle aren’t paying anyone £400k either though. Hence why they’ve been so desperate in the market. There are ways around this, insert clauses etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 One thing I feel strongly about, if we sign Coutinho that is, is adding some steel around Buendia, Coutinho and Ramsey. Everything in front of our defence should be built around those three players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 (edited) Marseille CB Duje Caleta-Car looks to have been the guy we went to show off to, not Kamara. It makes sense in fairness, Kamara will be going to a Champions League side or Newcastle on £300k a week. I think West Ham tried fairly hard for Caleta-Car but he wasn't interested. He uses the ball better than Konsa, but isn't better overall IMO. Hopefully this would facilitate a move to 3421 or 3412. Spending over £30m on a player not much better than one here wouldn't be a good start. Edited April 23, 2022 by Tomaszk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Marseille CB looks to have been the guy we went to show off to Caleta-Car, not Kamara. It makes sense in fairness, Kamara will be going to a Champions League side or Newcastle on £300k a week. I think West Ham tried fairly hard for Caleta-Car but he wasn't interested. He uses the ball better than Konsa, but isn't better overall IMO. Hopefully this would facilitate a move to 3421 or 3412. Spending over £30m on a player not much better than one here wouldn't be a good start. They only wanted 15 million in January apparently from West Ham who wanted a loan. I have never been that impressed with him when watching him for Croatia if honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 His contract expires in 2023, shouldn't be too expensive. Not sure he's someone I'd target unless the price is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 21 hours ago, TRO said: I must be honest.....I know in my own mind what I think we need, but as far as recruitment is concerned, I have no idea. I am clear in my own mind, what I am, ( don't be tempted) I am a supporter, I go to every home game....but I am not a scout, and do no possess their skill set. Am I confident of taking a player out of one team and putting it ours....No...and for the fee's involved, I would have sleepless nights thinking about it. £50 mill.....I would faint at the responsibility and implications of it going wrong. So, I will spend little time speculating, as I simply don't know enough about the players, we require , particularly the continental ones. I believe I know WHAT we need, but not WHO we need...I'll leave that to the club. Good post. However don't assume everyone at the club (or any club) who can push for these transfers has much of a clue though. Ings 30m Digne £27m to loan out Targett Big Wes £20m Traore £20m Ross McCormack £20m Scott Hogan £12m It's really easy to not buy bad players. Or massively overpay for players who have about a 20% chance of success. If we don't do that this summer I'll be happy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Zatman said: They only wanted 15 million in January apparently from West Ham who wanted a loan. I have never been that impressed with him when watching him for Croatia if honest 1 minute ago, sne said: His contract expires in 2023, shouldn't be too expensive. Not sure he's someone I'd target unless the price is right. Ah ok, I'm more interested if it's around £15m. Always reminded me of James Tarkowski a bit. I really really rate Tarkowski. If we were to bring Caleta-Car in and move Konsa on I'd be very upset. Self-sabotage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfTimePost Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 (edited) This feels a more realistic target than Kamara if I'm honest. I don't know much about him other than 'OK' WhoScored match ratings. FBRef has him as a fantastic passer for a CB but the actual defensive metrics seem very poor. The WhoScored ratings though are OK, and not really sure how they'd be possible if his defensive stats were as poor as FBRef say. Anybody seen him? Edited April 23, 2022 by HalfTimePost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Tomaszk said: Ah ok, I'm more interested if it's around £15m. Always reminded me of James Tarkowski a bit. I really really rate Tarkowski. If we were to bring Caleta-Car in and move Konsa on I'd be very upset. Self-sabotage. Tarkowski is out of contract in the summer. But I guess he'll go Newcastle or Wet Spam. Edited April 23, 2022 by sne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, sne said: Tarkowski is out of contract in the summer. But I guess he'll go Newcastle or Wet Spam. Nailed on for Newcastle IMO. Huge retirement contract and captain for them. He's just what they need, so very fortunate for them for someone like that to pop up on a free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Just now, Tomaszk said: Nailed on for Newcastle IMO. Huge retirement contract and captain for them. He's just what they need, so very fortunate for them for someone like that to pop up on a free. Yeah seems likely. Newcastle might be a good fit as he might have struggled to adapt to a tactic that's less defensive and deep than the Burnley one.Hard to say how he would do for a team that pushes up or expects more from the CB's than just defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheVilla26 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 As much as I think it is important sorting the DM position, I think a goal scorer is just as badly needed. We need someone up top who can bang in 15-20 goals. Even if we are losing games, we need a player who will keep getting on the scoresheet. Similar to Pukki at Norwich, but the fact is we have better players than them, so in theory better chance creation, a player of that ilk would score for fun here. I think we missed a trick not signing Tammy up. I'd happily have forgone us signing Ings and Bailey and spending that money to sign him last summer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, UpTheVilla26 said: I think we missed a trick not signing Tammy up. I'd happily have forgone us signing Ings and Bailey and spending that money to sign him last summer. Yeah in hindsight it would have been nice. But back then we were playing a 4-3-3 under Smith. We needed a winger and we already had Watkins who was coming off a good season. Can see why we didn't go for Tammy, if that was ever a realistic option. Never wanted Ings but that's a separate issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 22 minutes ago, UpTheVilla26 said: As much as I think it is important sorting the DM position, I think a goal scorer is just as badly needed. We need someone up top who can bang in 15-20 goals. Even if we are losing games, we need a player who will keep getting on the scoresheet. Similar to Pukki at Norwich, but the fact is we have better players than them, so in theory better chance creation, a player of that ilk would score for fun here. I think we missed a trick not signing Tammy up. I'd happily have forgone us signing Ings and Bailey and spending that money to sign him last summer. I'm not sure we will address it this window but I agree. A striker is vital for us. Neither one at the moment looks a major threat. Neither of them hold the ball up well or create chances for themselves. It's a major weakness when building attacks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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