MSvillain Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 minute ago, tomsky_11 said: Possibly need to factor set pieces into those kind of numbers, same with comparing Bentancur and Luiz. Guessing Bentancur's passing numbers are are not being brought down by taking corners and free kicks in forward areas, where Luiz and Pirlo's numbers are presumably affected by this to some degree. Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming its a complete statistical analysis, pirlo probably attempted more long passes for example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 34 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: As 'daft' as it is to take what's on a messageboard as gospel, you can't help but be a little concerned by those comments from fans that watch him all the time. Can we get a Delphinho 123 concern count chart please? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tomav84 Posted January 24, 2022 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Zatman said: Probably an English forum where fans have never actually seen him live probably just torino fans coming onto the forum to stir shit. proper turin they are unlike the juve lot. and they drink in town. mate. 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eidolon Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, briny_ear said: Am I SERIOUSLY being asked to form an opinion on this player based on the views of someone called Elvin Zebra????? By and large it often seems like the more successful a team the more of their (non local rusted on) fans know the absolute sum of **** all outside FIFA FUT ratings and arguing about whether Messi is better than Ronaldo and from the look of it I doubt Elvin Zebra is a sun dried turin…ian(?) worth listening to. Regardless of what happens at Juventus I doubt they will ever play host to anyone who could be reasonably be described as ‘the worst midfielder I have ever seen’ Edited January 24, 2022 by Eidolon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsky_11 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 7 minutes ago, tomsky_11 said: Possibly need to factor set pieces into those kind of numbers, same with comparing Bentancur and Luiz. Guessing Bentancur's passing numbers are are not being brought down by taking corners and free kicks in forward areas, where Luiz and Pirlo's numbers are presumably affected by this to some degree. Got no numbers on Pirlo but 12.1% of Luiz's attempted passes this season are from dead ball situations, compared to 1.6% of Bentancur's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 24, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 24, 2022 3 hours ago, lexicon said: Hah, I watched this last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MSvillain Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Just now, tomsky_11 said: Got no numbers on Pirlo but 12.1% of Luiz's attempted passes this season are from dead ball situations, compared to 1.6% of Bentancur's. But are those attempted passes aesthetically pleasing to the fans? Nah I'm joking, interesting info! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wezbid Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 11 minutes ago, tomsky_11 said: Got no numbers on Pirlo but 12.1% of Luiz's attempted passes this season are from dead ball situations, compared to 1.6% of Bentancur's. How much % of those dead balls are from our own half, rolling it to Mings/Konsa/McGinn without zero pressure on the pass? Down the rabbit hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJay Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 A quick look at that Juve forum and it's fair to say the opinions in general are extreme! They seem to think every player is terrible, there are some posters who seem reasonably balanced and back up their views on him with stats too. For example it's widely seen that Bentancur was the best player on the pitch last night and played well, however some (including that elvin character) refuse to acknowledge that and just say he's terrible despite every good display or stats that prove his opinion wrong. I also am not convinced we'll sign him anyway, he's a first team regular at Juve and will he want to leave to join Villa at this time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, PieFacE said: ahhhh, thats a big chunk! Apparently 40% sell-on fee. I wonder if its £16m to Juve plus £7m to Boca J, or the touted £16m is split between them. In which case Juve get virtually peanuts for him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) Wow, man some you of should be scouts… y’all are in the wrong professions and wasting your talents… Your bold new way of judging players based on Twitter, fans forums or any one with an Italian name/face/flag/car/ juve badge. Who needs to waste time and use data, scouting, videos, background checks etc… geez Edited January 24, 2022 by thabucks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 24, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 24, 2022 19 minutes ago, briny_ear said: Am I SERIOUSLY being asked to form an opinion on this player based on the views of someone called Elvin Zebra????? Uh hu hu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerryBarrPet Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, ender4 said: ahhhh, thats a big chunk! Apparently 40% sell-on fee. I wonder if its £16m to Juve plus £7m to Boca J, or the touted £16m is split between them. In which case Juve get virtually peanuts for him! I thought Juve needed cash for a purchase they had planned. If this is so then they won’t be happy with ‘peanuts’! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 24 minutes ago, briny_ear said: Am I SERIOUSLY being asked to form an opinion on this player based on the views of someone called Elvin Zebra????? he's clearly earnt his stripes. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) Double post Edited January 24, 2022 by Pissflaps Double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 The sell on fee isn't our issue. That's Juve. He's only worth what will pay full stop, where the money goes after we buy him isn't relevant to villa. If Juve want more because of the clause then **** it move onto another option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSvillain Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Pissflaps said: The sell on fee isn't our issue. That's Juve. He's only worth what will pay full stop, where the money goes after we buy him isn't relevant to villa. If Juve want more because of the clause then **** it move onto another option. Back on the Bissouma bus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, MSvillain said: Back on the Bissouma bus! he's got a bus!! How do we get a ticket for a ride on his bus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 58 minutes ago, messi11 said: This is the thing, Juventus fans are giving their opinions from their eyes. Villa analytics accounts are giving their opinion from comparing fbref stats without ever seeing the player actually play. This guy below for example. You are giving your opinion on the player from having neither seen him play OR stats so god knows how you've even formed an opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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