bobzy Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 16 hours ago, Keyblade said: I don't know why people keep talking about modern football, or where the line for modern is drawn, but since Rover made way as our shirt sponsor in 2006, 16 and a half years ago, 6 of our 10 subsequent sponsors were either betting firms, casinos or a blend of the 2. You've summed up modern football quite beautifully right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupinthe5th Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 How long before these people/our fans/media jump on the Monster Energy drink sponsorship because it contains 14 tablespoons of Sugar Madness 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, Lupinthe5th said: How long before these people/our fans/media jump on the Monster Energy drink sponsorship because it contains 14 tablespoons of Sugar Madness With internet and social media the extremes of the distribution of people and their opinions can interact and congregate. So assume 1 in a thousand care about a specific issue in this case a football club being associated with surgery drinks. Now assume there are 1 million villa fans dispersed throughout UK and abroad. So 1000 people can congregate and communicate today because of the internet and social media and the topic. Where 20 years ago there is no way more than a handful of people in the 1 in a thousand could meet and congregate. This means on almost any issue you can get an organised vocal minority despite their rarity of the number of people from the entire population. Furthermore the barrier to voicing opinion in a public setting is massively reduced. Sending a tweet or message Vs travel to a forum or to the football ground to voice protest at an issue. This is why it appears people are more objectionable to a plethora of issues. It's not specially the case it's just the combination of those two factors. It is much easier to complain and it is much easier for rare views to congregate. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Given that various fan groups not just here but at other clubs are vocally making their voices heard on gambling sponsors is only a good thing. It’s ridiculous to suggest this is some vocal minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Just now, The_Steve said: Given that various fan groups not just here but at other clubs are vocally making their voices heard on gambling sponsors is only a good thing. It’s ridiculous to suggest this is some vocal minority. If you bothered to read my post I used the example of sugary sports drinks. Furthermore the definition of minority is is less than half the whole. So less that 50%. It's safe to assume the number of people who object to the club taking the best sponsorship deal financially because it's a betting firm over the next best non betting firm offer would be a minority of Villa fans. I assume being polled on Agree, Disagree and have no opinion / undecided. We absolutely wouldn't have over half of villa fans agreeing they object to this. It's inherently a minority issue like almost all issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, CVByrne said: If you bothered to read my post I used the example of sugary sports drinks. Furthermore the definition of minority is is less than half the whole. So less that 50%. It's safe to assume the number of people who object to the club taking the best sponsorship deal financially because it's a betting firm over the next best non betting firm offer would be a minority of Villa fans. I assume being polled on Agree, Disagree and have no opinion / undecided. We absolutely wouldn't have over half of villa fans agreeing they object to this. It's inherently a minority issue like almost all issues. There's an awareness angle to it too. Like most won't know the gambling firm we're about to be sponsored by don't really exist and just appear to exist to facilitate their mostly illegal overseas operations. At least, they don't exist in any way that our fans can interact with them. If they did know, they might care, but given they don't have the interest to find out it's probably fair to assume that they wouldn't care either. Not that that makes it right. I don't feel we should be facilitating illegal activity, but we will be. As will nearly every other club in the Premier league. Edited February 2, 2023 by MrBlack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 8 minutes ago, MrBlack said: There's an awareness angle to it too. Like most won't know the gambling firm we're about to be sponsored by don't really exist and just appear to exist to facilitate their mostly illegal overseas operations. At least, they don't exist in any way that our fans can interact with them. If they did know, they might care, but given they don't have the interest to find out it's probably fair to assume that they wouldn't care either. Not that that makes it right. I don't feel we should be facilitating illegal activity, but we will be. As will nearly every other club in the Premier league. All fair points you make here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 People could well be sickened by the whole thing but it is perfectly legal in this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 3 hours ago, The_Steve said: Given that various fan groups not just here but at other clubs are vocally making their voices heard on gambling sponsors is only a good thing. It’s ridiculous to suggest this is some vocal minority. And they'll be the same fans moaning that the club aren't signing top players as well. lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 My only concern is that one day in the future the top 6, who don't have betting companies sponsoring their shirt for £50m a year and quietly away from the sleeve sponsor for £10m a year and instead just have betting partners in the background for who knows how much, will campaign to have them all banned which would **** the rest of us over because the rest of us are growing increasingly dependent on them Not sure how our 3 year deal will sit when that inevitably comes and where we will look to next On one hand I'm surprised the top 6 haven't already done it, its now to their advantage, if they did they team viewer aren't phoning villa up to discuss a £50m a year deal 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Spuds have just signed a £14 mill a season 3 year sleeve sponsorship deal with the SA Tourism Board … Quote Tottenham are set to sign a £60m sponsorship deal with the South African government. The north Londoners have been courted by the SA Tourism department which hopes it will help to attract visitors to the country. https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tottenham-receive-investment-south-african-29118290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, bobzy said: You've summed up modern football quite beautifully right there. Well yes, exactly. I don't see how this particular one is suddenly the straw that broke the camel's back. I don't remember this much opposition to W88, a similarly conspicuous organization just a couple of years ago for example. Edit: To be clear, I'm against these shadowy firms and their gambling products being in football, but it's been the state of affairs for 2 decades now unfortunately. Edited February 2, 2023 by Keyblade 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 46 minutes ago, thabucks said: Spuds have just signed a £14 mill a season 3 year sleeve sponsorship deal with the SA Tourism Board … https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tottenham-receive-investment-south-african-29118290 60/3=14? where did you go to school? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, Davkaus said: 60/3=14? where did you go to school? Haha … lower in the article and others online list £42 mill over 3 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 2 hours ago, villa4europe said: My only concern is that one day in the future the top 6, who don't have betting companies sponsoring their shirt for £50m a year and quietly away from the sleeve sponsor for £10m a year and instead just have betting partners in the background for who knows how much, will campaign to have them all banned which would **** the rest of us over because the rest of us are growing increasingly dependent on them Not sure how our 3 year deal will sit when that inevitably comes and where we will look to next On one hand I'm surprised the top 6 haven't already done it, its now to their advantage, if they did they team viewer aren't phoning villa up to discuss a £50m a year deal I think the 14 will probably not allow the 6 to ban betting partners due to the financial disparity that will be in relation to the sponsorship deals they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 56 minutes ago, Keyblade said: Well yes, exactly. I don't see how this particular one is suddenly the straw that broke the camel's back. I don't remember this much opposition to W88, a similarly conspicuous organization just a couple of years ago for example. Edit: To be clear, I'm against these shadowy firms and their gambling products being in football, but it's been the state of affairs for 2 decades now unfortunately. This is all correct. Right now, with more outlets for outrage, some like to really clatter pans together to declare how angry they are. I don't think that will be fair or helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: This is all correct. Right now, with more outlets for outrage, some like to really clatter pans together to declare how angry they are. I don't think that will be fair or helpful. I'm just wondering if there's something I'm missing. These same outlets existed in 2019. I know there was that scandal with the advertisement which led to Norwich pulling out of their deal but I don't think that's what the uproar is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 21 minutes ago, CVByrne said: I think the 14 will probably not allow the 6 to ban betting partners due to the financial disparity that will be in relation to the sponsorship deals they have. You'd like to think so but the other 14, ourselves included, sometimes vote for things based on the greater pyramid of English football, not to chase down the 6 clubs above us but to prevent the 80 odd clubs below us from chasing us down, it's a weird balance We were pro the 5 subs rule for example I dont know how we voted on the FFP changes proposed by UEFA or the change to the CL format which interestingly we vote on along with Everton and Newcastle but the top 6 don't because they put their voting right in the bin when they left for the super league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Keyblade said: Well yes, exactly. I don't see how this particular one is suddenly the straw that broke the camel's back. I don't remember this much opposition to W88, a similarly conspicuous organization just a couple of years ago for example. Edit: To be clear, I'm against these shadowy firms and their gambling products being in football, but it's been the state of affairs for 2 decades now unfortunately. Longer than that. When we were the best team in the country and there was a salary cap we did stuff like buy players pubs to earn more income to get around the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupinthe5th Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Hopefully we can strike a deal with Only Fans. Bet they would pay up loads for Sponsorship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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