OutByEaster? Posted September 12, 2023 Moderator Share Posted September 12, 2023 21 minutes ago, CVByrne said: It's part of their contracts, ie their base salary goes up for the season based on Qualification (different levels based on competition). i can see changes for a change of division, but not for the season based on a cup contest, i'm not sure it would make sense. i guess you might be right, but i think it's unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: i can see changes for a change of division, but not for the season based on a cup contest, i'm not sure it would make sense. i guess you might be right, but i think it's unlikely. Its not how FM works There's no pay increase for European games but like you said before they'll get their appearance bonuses plus potential win, clean sheet, goal bonus etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 12 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: i can see changes for a change of division, but not for the season based on a cup contest, i'm not sure it would make sense. i guess you might be right, but i think it's unlikely. It's for multiple reasons basically. But basically players know they can get higher wages if they qualify for Europe. The better the competition the higher they earn. It's also down to the fact they now have to play more football as they need to play midweek now and fly to other countries. Additional matches take a toll on a players career. It's also why, for example, Spurs would lose money (or any of the old big 6) if they played in the ECL. The prize money doesn't offset the wage increases due to the players for simply playing the extra games that come with European competition. IT also helps teams from an FFP perspective. If teams don't qualify for Europe the players base salaries drop as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 25 minutes ago, CVByrne said: It's also why, for example, Spurs would lose money (or any of the old big 6) if they played in the ECL. The prize money doesn't offset the wage increases due to the players for simply playing the extra games that come with European competition. That can't be right. Spurs would get around an extra £80m by being in the Champions League and getting to say the quarter-finals. There is no chance they are paying their players an extra £80m on top of their usual salary for that season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted September 13, 2023 Moderator Share Posted September 13, 2023 8 hours ago, CVByrne said: It's for multiple reasons basically. But basically players know they can get higher wages if they qualify for Europe. The better the competition the higher they earn. It's also down to the fact they now have to play more football as they need to play midweek now and fly to other countries. Additional matches take a toll on a players career. It's also why, for example, Spurs would lose money (or any of the old big 6) if they played in the ECL. The prize money doesn't offset the wage increases due to the players for simply playing the extra games that come with European competition. IT also helps teams from an FFP perspective. If teams don't qualify for Europe the players base salaries drop as a result. I'm not sure that's how it works - I'd say the salaries are pretty much set with the bonuses being the thing that changes with success - so a bonus for European qualification, a bonus for a win in a group game, a bonus for winning a trophy, that sort of thing, rather than you getting £15k a week in September then dropping out of Europe and going down to £10k, perhaps appearance fees, but it'd just br unworkable to change the underlying salary with each sporting landmark. Wages are pretty static through contracts, but players have the ability to earn a fair bit on bonuses, and success brings a fair bit of leverage come renewal time. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 10 hours ago, ender4 said: That can't be right. Spurs would get around an extra £80m by being in the Champions League and getting to say the quarter-finals. There is no chance they are paying their players an extra £80m on top of their usual salary for that season! They mean conference league not champions 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rugeley Villa Posted September 15, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 15, 2023 On 17/07/2023 at 20:42, rodders0223 said: Pricing out of a generation of new Villa fans in waiting whose birthright was to support and watch the football club. Can't wait to see the back of them. No excuses for these increases. No amount of "success" or player signing justifies this. It’s not that, we’ve just been used to dirt cheap tickets at Villa for years. Things need to change regarding that . Ive not got any issue with ticket prices because it’s a must . Biggest increase in league but still mid table in terms of how expensive a club we are to follow. We want to be successful , we want good players, things have to change on the commercial revenue front. You wouldn’t think Villa were that big a club if you looked at past turnovers . We’ve not been acting like a big club for years and look where it got us. Fans have to do their bit too regardless of how much wealth the owners have. If enough fans started boycotting then we’d just get sold and we’d end up just trying to survive season after season again and become that club from a few years ago again. We’ve got a lot going for us, the owners are serious and we need to start getting serious as fans. Unfortunately that’s the way football is now. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Chelsea charge £780 -£1600 per seat per game behind the dug out … Tanya what we’re competing against Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted September 15, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 15, 2023 12 minutes ago, thabucks said: Chelsea charge £780 -£1600 per seat per game behind the dug out … Tanya what we’re competing against Tanya sounds like a lovely bird... but a bit high maintenance! I'm happy with Doris as it stands. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 58 minutes ago, thabucks said: Chelsea charge £780 -£1600 per seat per game behind the dug out … Tanya what we’re competing against You can add a bit on for London clubs. Plus they have been very successful in modern times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 (edited) No problem charging season tickets at a premium when we're in Europe as long is its inclusive - Cup games and euro ' then just charge 2 quid extra pg to none season ticket holders. With a manager who takes all comps seriously it will go down well while we establish ourselves as contenders for each comp, then revise it again of we win something. Edited September 16, 2023 by brummybloke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted September 16, 2023 Moderator Share Posted September 16, 2023 12 hours ago, thabucks said: Chelsea charge £780 -£1600 per seat per game behind the dug out … Tanya what we’re competing against https://www.chelseafc.com/en/club-chelsea/the-dugout-club Quote New for the 23/24 season, this Club Chelsea offering allows fans to sit in luxury padded seats just metres above the players and managers, behind the home and away dugouts. It's interesting that one as this is something that is in the planning for Villa Park and could be in place for next season (they've spoken about moving some season ticket holders in the middle of the Lower Trinity). It'll be interesting to see what we price it at. Strange to think that it's likely that next season a single match here might cost the same as a season ticket three years ago. I'm sure the club will be delighted with the increased yield. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enda Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said: https://www.chelseafc.com/en/club-chelsea/the-dugout-club £680 Word-that-begins-with-F me. Villa had a thing a few years back, you get to play a match in VP for ninety minutes, all for charity. I remember thinking it was pricey but probably worth it to actually play on that grass. It was £500. Edited September 16, 2023 by Enda 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 I have noticed that a lot of the foreign boys, are very good at promoting the club on social media. There are some who will always post about the KO mentioning the time in both local and international times. This can only help bring in more fans. Not sure if it’s a cultural thing, but very few of the British lads do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 50 minutes ago, mikeyp102 said: I have noticed that a lot of the foreign boys, are very good at promoting the club on social media. There are some who will always post about the KO mentioning the time in both local and international times. This can only help bring in more fans. Not sure if it’s a cultural thing, but very few of the British lads do it. Yeah Dougie has like a social media sports agency group on insta who promote our games via him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Call it marketing or perhaps Capitalism, an American idealogy. Like it or not they are good at that and as a result Villa will go through changes whilst upsetting many a 'fan' along the way. If they get it right and improve Villa's financial situation many a fan will be left behind and replaced by another fan. Maybe, it will change the moaning rhetoric of many a Villa fan too; that would be good. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted September 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 20, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: Call it marketing or perhaps Capitalism, an American idealogy. Like it or not they are good at that and as a result Villa will go through changes whilst upsetting many a 'fan' along the way. If they get it right and improve Villa's financial situation many a fan will be left behind and replaced by another fan. Maybe, it will change the moaning rhetoric of many a Villa fan too; that would be good. Here's my thing, and as I'm an expatriate fan I'm always hesitant to comment on these issues as I know what the default retorts will be ( Where is your season ticket etc ) To me it seems, alot of the fans who moan about things like prices, evolution etc. Are the same ones who will be moaning about wanting better service, players, profile, Europe, acknowledgement and respect from media etc. They moan about the " monopoly " at the top but also fiercely resist attempts and strategy to try and bring us in line and closer to being able to compete. From the things I see online, haven't our prices been some of the lowest in comparison to all other clubs for a long time? As a matter of fact, I see that there are " lesser " clubs with higher prices than us.for example. From a commercialisation standpoint, it must be acknowledged that there are modern and future Villa fans we have to cater to, as well as increasing global appeal. It's a bit selfish from the older generation and us to want to put a halt on any sort of modernisation and future proofing. As you say, the Americans are outstanding at Sports Marketing. Edited September 20, 2023 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Here's my thing, and as I'm an expatriate fan I'm always hesitant to comment on these issues as I know what the default retorts will be ( Where is your season ticket etc ) To me it seems, alot of the fans who moan about things like prices, evolution etc. Are the same ones who will be moaning about wanting better service, players, profile, Europe, acknowledgement and respect from media etc. They moan about the " monopoly " at the top but also fiercely resist attempts and strategy to try and bring us in line and closer to being able to compete. From the things I see online, haven't our prices been some of the lowest in comparison to all other clubs for a long time? As a matter of fact, I see that there are " lesser " clubs with higher prices than us.for example. From a commercialisation standpoint, it must be acknowledged that there are modern and future Villa fans we have to cater to, as well as increasing global appeal. It's a bit selfish from the older generation and us to want to put a halt on any sort of modernisation and future proofing. As you say, the Americans are outstanding at Sports Marketing. Agree 100%. It is far overdue Villa tweaked their prices accordingly; business strategy is now at the forefront and we all need to understand that. The philosophy is that this will make Villa more successful in every aspect of the footballing world. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 (edited) Another offering Quote The package will include seats in the Trinity Road Stand or the Doug Ellis Upper and a matchday programme. Existing season ticket holders can purchase the package as a bolt-on while they may also be bought on a match-by-match basis. An opening offer for the Brighton game is as follows... Single match package v Brighton - £120 (including VAT) Season ticket holder bolt-on v Brighton - £60 (including VAT) All you can eat street food, drinks, and a ticket for £120... Edited September 20, 2023 by MrBlack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Mis-read at first as them listening to us and opening a new fan park style area. Was about to commend them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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