Stevo985 Posted February 3, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, villa4europe said: He reviewed it and doubled down on how wrong he was There's contact, definitely knee to knee but martials legs have gone before that contact comes, both feet are leaving the ground and he arcs his back, it's 100% a dive The contact is long after he's already going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 we're all seeing the same video. that Martial took a dive shouldn't even be a debate, it is clear as day. Mike Dean doubling down and handing out a red after seeing that is just him being a complete dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 If he gives the foul he has to give the red. He can’t do one and not the other 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 I think it was a baffling call. shouldn't have been a penalty in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 33 minutes ago, Genie said: If he gives the foul he has to give the red. He can’t do one and not the other Sure he can, they make it up as they go. And if they are questioned after the game they can just distort the facts and change the "rules" so it fits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, sne said: Sure he can, they make it up as they go. And if they are questioned after the game they can just distort the facts and change the "rules" so it fits. If they decide it’s a foul then it’s denying a goal scoring opportunity as he’s the last defender between Martial and the keeper. It’s always a red in that scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Genie said: If they decide it’s a foul then it’s denying a goal scoring opportunity as he’s the last defender between Martial and the keeper. It’s always a red in that scenario. If only they actually followed their own rules. Every single situation is open to interpretation and more or less identical situations are ruled differently depending on ref and especially which teams are involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 15 minutes ago, Genie said: If they decide it’s a foul then it’s denying a goal scoring opportunity as he’s the last defender between Martial and the keeper. It’s always a red in that scenario. The rule that was quoted a few pages back said it was only a red for professional fouls Accidental contact or genuine attempts to play the ball are not automatic red cards Crazy that after a season where no one seems to know what the handball or offside rules are anymore they've found a way of dragging the last man rule in to it too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 13 minutes ago, villa4europe said: The rule that was quoted a few pages back said it was only a red for professional fouls Accidental contact or genuine attempts to play the ball are not automatic red cards Crazy that after a season where no one seems to know what the handball or offside rules are anymore they've found a way of dragging the last man rule in to it too There was supposed to be a change where less reds were given when a pen was awarded but I haven’t noticed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 The danger now is that players will start diving and simulating contact to win penalties, even if a player tries to avoid contact, the precedent is set. Referees need to use some common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Also the stupid corner they've painted themselves into now means that if Bednarek absolutely wipes out Martial, but he 'makes a play for the ball' (incredibly subjective) then it's a yellow. He tries to get out of the way and Martial dives and it's a red. Insanity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 hour ago, The_Steve said: The danger now is that players will start diving and simulating contact to win penalties, even if a player tries to avoid contact, the precedent is set. Referees need to use some common sense. This has been happening for a while, our own captain is the king of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 32 minutes ago, Genie said: This has been happening for a while, our own captain is the king of it. Whilst I agree I do also think that Jack is actually very hard to bring down when he has something on and wants to stay up, the crazy thing about martial is he dived whilst 8 yards out in the centre of the goal and his team was 6-0 up Half way line with no pass on and the opposition pressing yep grealish is winning a free kick all day long For all the fouls I think grealish has only won 2 penalties (??) the playoffs vs baggies which was really clever play to take a touch away from gibbs meaning all he could do was foul him and one this season vs baggies Most fouled player in the league, he was top of the touches in oppositions box stat too, yet he's only won a small number of penalties... I think its an interesting insight in to what type of player he is 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Whilst I agree I do also think that Jack is actually very hard to bring down when he has something on and wants to stay up, the crazy thing about martial is he dived whilst 8 yards out in the centre of the goal and his team was 6-0 up Half way line with no pass on and the opposition pressing yep grealish is winning a free kick all day long For all the fouls I think grealish has only won 2 penalties (??) the playoffs vs baggies which was really clever play to take a touch away from gibbs meaning all he could do was foul him and one this season vs baggies Most fouled player in the league, he was top of the touches in oppositions box stat too, yet he's only won a small number of penalties... I think its an interesting insight in to what type of player he is I completely agree. I was just making the point that initiating contact, then hitting the deck isn’t new. Mane another also does it a lot. On the slow mo it shows a coming together of legs but you can see that it has been manufactured purposely to win a free kick. Not a dive per se, but still cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaphan04 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 So it's going to be City 5 Burnley 0 again, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted February 3, 2021 Moderator Share Posted February 3, 2021 Hoping for a Fulham win, not only could it help us but it will keep the bottom of the table interesting as there is a danger the relegation places will be decided by March at this rate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Fulham losing, Mitrovic should have done better with a chance earlier on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted February 3, 2021 Moderator Share Posted February 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, useless said: Fulham losing, Mitrovic should have done better with a chance earlier on. He is rubbish always has been, Championship level in a good side is his level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 As long as Manure don't win the title i'm happy Well done Citeh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 I wonder how many points will actually be needed to stay up this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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