foreveryoung Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Well it is, it's kind of key Being kicked on your left leg doesn't make your right leg crumble You watch the isak foul and see the speed at which he's moving before the kick and after the kick, not only does his body twist after being kicked it also magically speeds up To me jesus is absolutely not a penalty, the contact is on a different leg to the one that bears the impact, the impact is borne on his standing leg, the one that isn't kicked.... Duran is kicked on his left foot, as a result he doesn't plant it... It's therefore a foul To be fair he does plant it, then his right foot/leg collapses, defo simulation, but so what, I'll take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Not only is this the worst dive in history, the officials gave the pen (which was scored) and sent the defender off 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 9 minutes ago, Genie said: Not only is this the worst dive in history, the officials gave the pen (which was scored) and sent the defender off I don’t think it’s what it seems. The defender (24?) stumbles when running back after crossing with the attacker so he’s obviously caught him. Stockley isn’t even looking at the defender so would be a genuinely incredible dive if he managed it A red card is harsh as it looks entirely accidental, but he’s definitely caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 On 08/11/2023 at 11:21, bobzy said: This whole thing with studs showing is absurd. Celtic had a man sent off against Ath Madrid who dared to wear football boots whilst trying to block a ball. Ath Madrid player essentially kicks up into his studs - yellow card given on the field, but then VAR do a classic freeze frame showing studs on shin (zero context). Overturned, red card. It's a nonsense, there's no danger there. Studs doesn't = horror challenge every time. Oh look, it's happened again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 if only football was played on a piece of paper... refs lack common sense, they see words not football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Good quote today I heard which is 100% bang on "Referees may know the rules of the game, its just unfortunate they don't know the game". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Everton appealing DCL’s red card. Thats a very interesting one. If it is overturned then VAR needs to be scrapped, or at least the clowns who suggested the red relieved of duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 The full 90 minutes of complete incompetence by the referee in our game last night is the reason VAR exists and will continue to do so. He got so many things wrong, you'd think he was doing it on purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted January 7 VT Supporter Share Posted January 7 2 hours ago, kurtsimonw said: The full 90 minutes of complete incompetence by the referee in our game last night is the reason VAR exists and will continue to do so. He got so many things wrong, you'd think he was doing it on purpose. VAR get so many things wrong that you'd think they were doing it on purpose. ... so which is the lesser of 2 evils? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 7 VT Supporter Share Posted January 7 4 hours ago, kurtsimonw said: The full 90 minutes of complete incompetence by the referee in our game last night is the reason VAR exists and will continue to do so. He got so many things wrong, you'd think he was doing it on purpose. Agreed. If VAR wasn’t completely incompetent then it would be a god send Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 2 hours ago, ozvillafan said: VAR get so many things wrong that you'd think they were doing it on purpose. ... so which is the lesser of 2 evils? Some sort of utopia where better refs also results in better VARs... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted January 7 VT Supporter Share Posted January 7 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: Agreed. If VAR wasn’t completely incompetent then it would be a god send There's a common theme to the bad decisions and it's nothing to do with videos..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 6 hours ago, kurtsimonw said: The full 90 minutes of complete incompetence by the referee in our game last night is the reason VAR exists and will continue to do so. He got so many things wrong, you'd think he was doing it on purpose. Don't twist my words on this one as I'm not speaking towards his incompetence specifically, but I think he has refereed one match in the past year without having VAR by his side. Again, not excusing his performance, but have to wonder if referees are so used to having VAR as a crutch to rely on that their own skills are being diminished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 7 hours ago, kurtsimonw said: The full 90 minutes of complete incompetence by the referee in our game last night is the reason VAR exists and will continue to do so. He got so many things wrong, you'd think he was doing it on purpose. But then it's those incompetent refs who then sit in and control VAR. Watching a red card foul or handball 20 times in slow motion makes no difference to the quality of the decisions, if its the same referees making them. Bonkers really how it's run, over 5 years now and hasn't really improved, an I doubt it will with the referees we have, cause in reality they are the problem not VAR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 3 hours ago, villa4europe said: Some sort of utopia where better refs also results in better VARs... In European and international football there seems to be far less massive errors in the officiating. English football seems to be blighted by poor officials, which I think is more complicated than it appears. I think they are wrapped up in things like managers complaining, VAR making the onfield ref look weak, contradicting decisions they made the week before and it affects all of what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 3 hours ago, tinker said: There's a common theme to the bad decisions and it's nothing to do with videos..... That's a bingo! Monkeys, typewriters and Shakespeare comes to mind. Just by having more people look at it means we're likely to see more correct decisions overall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May-Z Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Similarly to the Ben Mee red card non-decision, the ref in the Boro match could not have been better placed to see the Moreno penalty. Absolutely perfect, textbook position. His assessors would be proud. So how the hell he so confidently dismissed any claim out of hand is bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy7211 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 4 minutes ago, May-Z said: Similarly to the Ben Mee red card non-decision, the ref in the Boro match could not have been better placed to see the Moreno penalty. Absolutely perfect, textbook position. His assessors would be proud. So how the hell he so confidently dismissed any claim out of hand is bizarre. I agree it was a pen, but when VAR is running it's one the officials will look and say it's not an obvious error, depending on which badge is on the shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Review every decision of every game with a committee, make it last 10 hours if need be. Or simply have no rules, just play prison rules football. Both would be better options than the current state of officiating 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Couldn't stand that dopey looking David Coote before this game but this was a new low. It's like if we were playing peak Manure under Sir Alex. He gave then everything and allowed us next to nothing. Completely lost the plot in the second half. We got 4 yellow they got 1. How? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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