maltesemike Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, villa89 said: I think what Keto shows you is that it’s carbs that are the problem for most people. Wheat is basically sugar in disguise. A dietary regime of 50% protein, 30% veg, 10% fruit & 10% carbs is an achievable lifestyle for most people. This is what people should aim for and also to eat all their food in an 8 hour window. 11am - 7pm for most people. The science backs up this kind of approach as its probably the ratio's we would have eaten as cavemen varying depending on the time of year... Keto is not a life long sustainable diet. Ketogenic diets stem from a starvation mode our bodies have developed in time of need and clearly people do benefit for short periods of low carb intake. But it’s just not sustainable as it’s too difficult to stick with over the long term and regular fasting can give similar benefits anyways. I get why people see positive results when trying Keto to lose weight, because you lose it fast. But that weight is largely water and not fat. Low-fat high-carb diets are actually better for losing fat over the long term. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-01209-1 The default food our brains process is glucose. Carbs are probably the main reason why our brains grew so large in the first place! The idea that carbs are “the problem” is simply not true. Refined carbs are bad yes, complex carbs are anything but. The cornerstone of the healthiest and longest living people on earth revolve around diets that are predominately based on complex starchy carbs like corn, rice, oats, sweet potato, whole grains and plenty of legumes - the ultimate source of good carbs, protein and fibre. There is absolutely nothing wrong with these foods and we would all be much healthier if we ate more of them. The experiment has been done for us by people who have eaten such diets and live the longest to prove it. Edited December 25, 2023 by maltesemike 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chine Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) Happy New Year ! So what is everyone’s plans for 2024 in this section ? I’m still continuing with zero alcohol ( since October 23)with watching what I snack on and generally trying to live healthier . Really looking forward to the ongoing conversations as we progress with our journeys ! good luck everyone Edited January 1 by Chine 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted January 1 VT Supporter Share Posted January 1 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Chine said: Happy New Year ! So what is everyone’s plans for 2024 in this section ? I’m still continuing with zero alcohol ( since October 23)with watching what I snack on and generally trying to live healthier . Really looking forward to the ongoing conversations as we progress with our journeys ! good luck everyone Good work. If I didn’t drink for 3 months I’d have more abs than Mings. As that is unlikely, I’ll keep my crate. Edited January 1 by fightoffyour 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leemond2008 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 47 minutes ago, Chine said: Happy New Year ! So what is everyone’s plans for 2024 in this section ? I’m still continuing with zero alcohol ( since October 23)with watching what I snack on and generally trying to live healthier . Really looking forward to the ongoing conversations as we progress with our journeys ! good luck everyone For me, my plans are to keep doing what I've been doing for the past few months, I've managed to lose over 30lbs so far and if I can do that again then I'll be pretty happy. I pretty much sacked off the gym for the whole of December, with the meals and general shite temptations that comes with Christmas, plus the cold mornings and dark nights I decided to have a break from it, it was pre-planned though and I've stuck to eating sensibly wherever possible, I weighed myself this morning and I've managed to pretty much maintain where I was since just before Christmas so I'm pleased with that. Back in the gym as of tomorrow though, no excuses of shit food, big dinners or events to keep me out. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubbs Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Haven't been to the gym as often as I want during the last few weeks of December. Back on it tomorrow though, and after the next week or so those who start with good intentions will ultimately give up leaving the usual faces at the gym. Main motivation is to put a bit of mass on the muscles, and just look better than I have done for years. I don't drink as much as I used to buy I definitely need to eat better. My problem is during the week at lunchtime. It's always sandwiches, boring bland sandwiches usually white bread. Take more fruit and veg is the plan. Also need to find an alternative to drinking coffees all the time at work. I do try and get at least a litre of water during the day too but even that's a struggle! Good luck everyone, hope you all reap the benefits of the work you put in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leemond2008 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 1 hour ago, dubbs said: after the next week or so those who start with good intentions will ultimately give up leaving the usual faces at the gym. This is the one thing that actually puts me off going back tomorrow, it'll most likely be rammed and because I haven't been for a while I'll look like one of the "new years resolution" crowd. Silly I know, just gotta get that first visit out of the way. Quote My problem is during the week at lunchtime. It's always sandwiches, boring bland sandwiches usually white bread. This was a big struggle for me, especially when I was working 9-5 in the office, I only tend to have one or two meals a day now though, I don't barely eat anything during the day now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 I have done the gyms through the years, they are all pants, unless 1, you like to socialise with randoms or 2, you are going for it harcore to look like Arnie. If you have room, buy a treadmill or excercise bike, don't get carried away with a £1500 peleton, a second hand running machine or spin bike is just fine and there's lots for sale, you can follow loads of vidieos on You Tube if that's you thing, i just stick my headphones on and go throgh my emails. As for gaining a bit of mass, again all you need is some dumbells and a few bars, job done. It's hard to start into a routine, but once your in it, it'll be far better than flapping about down the gym, doing 30 minutes instead of an hour cause that guy you always see wants a chat. Ohh, an ofcourse you need to eat right to see any gains/improvements. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dog Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 4 hours ago, dubbs said: Haven't been to the gym as often as I want during the last few weeks of December. Back on it tomorrow though, and after the next week or so those who start with good intentions will ultimately give up leaving the usual faces at the gym. Main motivation is to put a bit of mass on the muscles, and just look better than I have done for years. I don't drink as much as I used to buy I definitely need to eat better. My problem is during the week at lunchtime. It's always sandwiches, boring bland sandwiches usually white bread. Take more fruit and veg is the plan. Also need to find an alternative to drinking coffees all the time at work. I do try and get at least a litre of water during the day too but even that's a struggle! Good luck everyone, hope you all reap the benefits of the work you put in. My man, don't demonise a sandwich, a sandwich is one of the most balanced meals you can have - Just make it right, white bread is fine, big protein filling and some salad, all the macros you'll ever need, and absolute delicious. Piece of fruit on the side, you got vitamins, carbs, protein, perfect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Just now, T-Dog said: My man, don't demonise a sandwich, a sandwich is one of the most balanced meals you can have - Just make it right, white bread is fine, big protein filling and some salad, all the macros you'll ever need, and absolute delicious. Piece of fruit on the side, you got vitamins, carbs, protein, perfect. Bread is the enemy to a few on here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dog Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 16 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Bread is the enemy to a few on here. It's a very dangerous opinion to have and serves nobody - All weight loss, all diets, are a variation of calorie in/calorie out - eating ten slices of bread a day isn't good for you for many reasons, but the calories isn't even close to the biggest issue, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with a couple of sandwiches. At the end of the day, the most successful 'diet' (ugh) is the one you enjoy and can maintain. The second you demonising any food you've already lost the battle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chine Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 I’m currently cutting back eating bread due to the sheer volume I was eating, I seem to struggle with moderation I can’t have 1 or 2 slices a day it ends up at 10 without noticing, resulting in bloating and a wallowing around feeling . I’ve not eaten any sliced bread for weeks but I won’t stop myself enjoying naan bread when out for a meal, I had a meeting last Wednesday and had a curry and a naan and thoroughly enjoyed it , not had any since . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dog Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Just now, Chine said: I’m currently cutting back eating bread due to the sheer volume I was eating, I seem to struggle with moderation I can’t have 1 or 2 slices a day it ends up at 10 without noticing, resulting in bloating and a wallowing around feeling . I’ve not eaten any sliced bread for weeks but I won’t stop myself enjoying naan bread when out for a meal, I had a meeting last Wednesday and had a curry and a naan and thoroughly enjoyed it , not had any since . The healthiest attitude towards things that, don't worry about 1 or 2 slices but if you've replaced it with something more nutritious then you're already winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maltesemike Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 1 hour ago, foreveryoung said: Bread is the enemy to a few on here. Nothing wrong with bread at all, just try to choose whole grain bread instead. Unfortunately the default white sliced bread in the UK is awful. Haven’t lived there for some time but there is surely better options these days. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCDAN Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 One thing I’ve learned over the years is that going to gym or running is mainly for my mental wellbeing, weight loss and gain is 80% in the food you eat. An hour in the gym 3 times a week won’t touch the sides when coupled with a bad diet. In doing dry January for the first time ever and hoping that eating right should get at least 8-10 pounds off as I feel like I’ve gained at least that over the last month. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dog Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 10 minutes ago, AVFCDAN said: One thing I’ve learned over the years is that going to gym or running is mainly for my mental wellbeing, weight loss and gain is 80% in the food you eat. An hour in the gym 3 times a week won’t touch the sides when coupled with a bad diet. In doing dry January for the first time ever and hoping that eating right should get at least 8-10 pounds off as I feel like I’ve gained at least that over the last month. Correct - You're always be better eating 3500 calories a day and burning off 1000 in the gym than you would eating 2500. There are so many more benefits to working out other than weight loss, not least for your mindset and mental health 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leemond2008 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 I managed to drag my sorry ass back to the gym this morning, felt good to be in there again even if I didn't do a fat lot, it was more about just getting back on the hoss today more than anything. Same again tomorrow I reckon. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 On 01/01/2024 at 17:30, maltesemike said: Nothing wrong with bread at all, just try to choose whole grain bread instead. Unfortunately the default white sliced bread in the UK is awful. Haven’t lived there for some time but there is surely better options these days. Bread is awful for you really, unless freshly baked. If you're going down the health route, those type of ultra processed foods are the ones to avoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 4 hours ago, bobzy said: Bread is awful for you really, unless freshly baked. If you're going down the health route, those type of ultra processed foods are the ones to avoid. I cannot see any real proof bread is bad for you. Most say it's actually good to include in a healthy balanced diet, in moderation, like most other foods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, foreveryoung said: I cannot see any real proof bread is bad for you. Most say it's actually good to include in a healthy balanced diet, in moderation, like most other foods. Yes - but if freshly baked rather than the wrapped up, sliced loaves people tend to go for off the shelves. Similar with cereals - some are fine (granola, museli types etc) whereas the ones we’re “used to” are largely bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 8 minutes ago, bobzy said: Yes - but if freshly baked rather than the wrapped up, sliced loaves people tend to go for off the shelves. Similar with cereals - some are fine (granola, museli types etc) whereas the ones we’re “used to” are largely bad. Granola is known to be full of sugar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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