Laughable Chimp Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 13 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: Great point, it's possible this aspect can help Coutinho (if Traore plays). His first season wasn't inconsistent at all, stats below.... I know his goals and assist stats and they're good. I just personally prefer to look at expected assist and shot creation stats instead of assists and they don't paint as rosy a picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 1 hour ago, nepal_villan said: Because players are not bought on stats alone. Why is there not a queue from other clubs to buy a player with 7 goals and 7 assists? Yeah I do get that. But for me his performances were very good in that first season. He was always making something happen. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Tomaszk said: Hopefully after that PL return we should be able to sell him for £20m then? Only we won't because he's not very good. The club will accept a £10m bid as a massive win. Not because he’s not good, but because of luck. He played less than 200 minutes, other clubs knows that he isn’t a first choice. Once they know a player isn’t wanted price drops. Basically we don’t sell at the right time. You need to sell before benching the player. The moment you know he’s not into you future plans. But we don’t, we keep them until they don’t have value. Anyway Traore is quality, he’d add a lot if he was kept. Probably not a starter but with 5 subs I think we’ll need him around. I’d loan Chuck and keep Traore for this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 Might be late here but fenerbahce have signed Lincoln and Bruma, sounds like the link to them was using him/us to play the game while negotiating 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Xela Posted June 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2022 9 hours ago, Laughable Chimp said: I know his goals and assist stats and they're good. I just personally prefer to look at expected assist and shot creation stats instead of assists and they don't paint as rosy a picture. I like to ignore actual stats and look at guesswork as well. 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 10 hours ago, Laughable Chimp said: I know his goals and assist stats and they're good. I just personally prefer to look at expected assist and shot creation stats instead of assists and they don't paint as rosy a picture. Perhaps the best quote I've ever read on VT. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 11 hours ago, nepal_villan said: Because players are not bought on stats alone. Why is there not a queue from other clubs to buy a player with 7 goals and 7 assists? Presumably partly because he hasn’t managed to stay fit for a full year now… whether he’s here or elsewhere that is what’s important for him next season, more so than the stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villabromsgrove Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 where's the stat for "He's doesn't get stuck in"? Lovely skills but he's part of our soft underbelly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaHatesMe Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Xela said: I like to ignore actual stats and look at guesswork as well. The "guesswork stats" are more predictive of future performance than the standard numbers. It's why they exist and why the teams use them. That said, as I mentioned earlier, I don't care what the numbers say or if Bertrand murders puppies in his sleep. As long as he scores an awesome goal once in a while, he's good with me. Every team needs the wild card capable of something magnificent once in a while. A touch of spice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jas10 Posted June 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2022 Big fan of Berty’s, what a sublime and outrageously skilful player he can be. Football is all about entertainment and he can bring it more often than most… He contributed a lot in his first season and provided the highlights of that season for me. It was refreshing to see us have such a technically proficient and stylish player in the side after having to endure the likes of Trez & El Ghazi. He improved us… Produced some sublime moments of skill and scored some beautiful goals - that’s what I enjoy the most about this sport so I’m grateful we have a player who showed that for us and can continue to do so… Don’t see the need or desperation to sell, we need depth and talent in the squad. So many of our players underperformed and yet we say things like “just need a proper preseason”, “will be better next season”, “SG needs a full season with these players” etc. etc. Why shouldn’t that apply to BT? We just need to get him fit and keep him fit (he was struggling with a groin injury for quite a while too. Can’t remember if he ended up actually getting surgery, think he did) and coach him and maybe teach him to be more disciplined. He hasn’t been with us for long and I’d personally like to see what he can offer going forwards. I would be sad to see him go but as long as we improve and progress as a team, that’s more important than the state of any individual. Just think he’s an asset and a great option to have. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 As there are five subs next season too, players like Traore definitely have a place even if he doesn't start every game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 On 18/06/2022 at 08:58, Laughable Chimp said: does spend large parts of the game being ineffective I'm not even sure this is true. When he's on the ball, he's making something happen. I watched a Villa Traore highlight reel the other day, even some of his more 'basic' passes were really clever. Freeing Grealish up into acres on a couple of occasions. And he also 'assisted the assister' with a couple of clever balls also. One reverse ball for Cash to then assist was quality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 For me - absolute quality 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 5 hours ago, Tom13 said: For me - absolute quality Goal against Utd was a cracker too, straight into the top corner. Lindelof was bemused. Not seen it included in any of these highlight reel videos. Does a little dance for his celebration and McGinn just points at him rather than join in He’s such a talent and brings the entertainment factor - way too harshly criticised and underrated imo. That first half against Burnley, we looked like an amazing team with so much flair. In form Barkley, Grealish and Traore linking up and assisting Watkins was quite a sight to behold. Pity we threw the game away in that 2nd half but typical Villa eh? BT scored goals against some of the toughest opposition that season and they were all quality finishes. Was great against Chelsea in our last game too. He’s a great option/backup for our little South American magicians imo, love that fancy footwork! Just get/keep him fit and coach him right and we’ll have such an asset in the squad. What an option to have off the bench and maybe even starting occasionally if we can bring the best out of him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stegzy Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 9 hours ago, Tom13 said: For me - absolute quality He can be fantastic but just couldn’t seem to string more than 2 games together without getting injured. Would definitely keep him one more season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 13 minutes ago, stegzy said: He can be fantastic but just couldn’t seem to string more than 2 games together without getting injured. Would definitely keep him one more season. His first season he played in 37 league games. But yeah last season was frustrating. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stegzy Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Just now, Tom13 said: His first season he played in 37 league games. But yeah last season was frustrating. Sorry, yeah I meant last season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 I could watch this on a loop for a good few hours you know 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Tom13 said: I could watch this on a loop for a good few hours you know So close to a goal of the season contender that. I really hope he stays injury free and we get to see more of him next season. Be gutted to see him leave having not fulfilled his highlight reel potential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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