Delphinho123 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 7 hours ago, Tom13 said: Completely different. I've always said Ollie has strengths. You just generically say Traore makes bad decisions and is ineffective. Well the eye test and stats disprove that. Everyone was agreed on Ollie's weaknesses previously. I don’t just say he makes bad decisions, I say he’s mostly s***. The eye test was enough for the club to pay him to play elsewhere. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 He's rubbish get rid- he is looking better now-he is amazing, another club will want him soon-he is getting too big for his boots- he is rubbish again. The usual VT story arc. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post picicata Posted February 28, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: He's rubbish get rid- he is looking better now-he is amazing, another club will want him soon-he is getting too big for his boots- he is rubbish again. The usual VT story arc. .. and then he went to play in Turkey The End 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 13 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: He's rubbish get rid- he is looking better now-he is amazing, another club will want him soon-he is getting too big for his boots- he is rubbish again. The usual VT story arc. Along with some puns and memes… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 6 hours ago, Villan_of_oz said: No... criticism after we have won away and and picked up 3 points and he's scored is met with disbelief.... You mentioned how poor his touch was in one moment, but you didn't mention how good his touch was in another moment. Your continual need to look for negatives without the balance of positives, makes your argument heavily unbalanced. I do not apologise for reacting to any heavily unbalanced argument with utter disbelief. Especially when that argument is brought up when we have just won away I looked at his all round performance and called it as I saw it. I've always said he has strengths mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted February 28, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Tom13 said: I looked at his all round performance and called it as I saw it. I've always said he has strengths mate. I believe we are going around in circles mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, The Fun Factory said: He's rubbish get rid- he is looking better now-he is amazing, another club will want him soon-he is getting too big for his boots- he is rubbish again. The usual VT story arc. I wonder when the Keinan Davis thread get bumped wit the usual “maybe we should recall him he might fit in this Emery system” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, gwi1890 said: I wonder when the Keinan Davis thread get bumped wit the usual “maybe we should recall him he might fit in this Emery system” 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bobzy Posted February 28, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Tom13 said: I looked at his all round performance and called it as I saw it. I've always said he has strengths mate. I saw this "I've always said he has strengths" and thought... nah, bollocks. You're the most critical person on here... but maybe I'm being too harsh and you do actually praise him. So I took an arbitary number of pages back (basically coinciding with Watkins hitting peak form) and this is what you've said about our mate Ollie: On 06/02/2023 at 11:10, Tom13 said: Make of this what you will: Ollie averages a goal every 264 minutes for us in the PL. Since we lost Grealish (because I thought it would be interesting to compare), he averages a goal every 287 minutes. On 10/02/2023 at 09:58, Tom13 said: I have no idea what you're talking about here. The deepest midfielder is rarely the one feeding the striker. And in Kamara we have one of the best DMs in the league anyway. Up there with Rodri and Bentancur. Ollie has one of the best at spotting runs and playing that killer pass behind him already in Buendia. The problem is, Ollie doesn't see the runs he should be making. It's not natural to him. On 12/02/2023 at 21:31, Tom13 said: It's not difficult to find ways to criticise him though. Don't know why people get so defensive about it. The weaknesses in his game are blindingly obvious. On 14/02/2023 at 11:01, Tom13 said: You place far too much importance on the pure numbers. You need to look at all round performances more. Ollie hasn't been bad lately but he does limit us in many ways. On 14/02/2023 at 11:01, Tom13 said: He himself limits our creativity because he doesn't make intelligent runs in behind anywhere near often enough. Just compare Buendia and Ings to Buendia and Watkins. On 14/02/2023 at 13:52, Tom13 said: I did say he's been ok lately. But do you not understand how a player can score a few goals but still be detrimental to a team as a whole? Very basic level of thinking there. On 22/02/2023 at 23:27, Tom13 said: I'd take Isak over Watkins, great player. On 24/02/2023 at 09:02, Tom13 said: Part of that is right and he is contributing positively at the moment. But even at his best in his first season, his weaknesses were clear. On 25/02/2023 at 17:05, Tom13 said: Glad he's bagging a few goals, but his touch still lets him down at times. Did on at least a couple of occasions today. On 25/02/2023 at 17:22, Tom13 said: Fact remains that there were a couple of poor touches at least that led to us losing attacking momentum or losing an attack completely. Not difficult touches either. That's all I'm saying, if he could sort that out, he'd be even better. So, these strengths that you like to state...? 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 13 minutes ago, bobzy said: I saw this "I've always said he has strengths" and thought... nah, bollocks. You're the most critical person on here... but maybe I'm being too harsh and you do actually praise him. So I took an arbitary number of pages back (basically coinciding with Watkins hitting peak form) and this is what you've said about our mate Ollie: So, these strengths that you like to state...? Shots fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Just now, Delphinho123 said: Shots fired. Ha! Unintentional, I like discussing things and it's good that people are critical... but just own it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Delphinho123 Posted February 28, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2023 Just now, bobzy said: Ha! Unintentional, I like discussing things and it's good that people are critical... but just own it. I'll own you right now. Head over to the Buendia thread and we'll throw down.. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 On 14/02/2023 at 17:48, Tom13 said: Fair enough. Seemed to be more direct chances when Ings was on. Either way, I think we need a bit of Ollie's style and a bit of Ings' style. I'm just saying I personally think we'll likely need better if we are serious about moving up to the next level (top 8 finish). On 06/02/2023 at 01:21, Tom13 said: No surprise that Mitro has a higher xG. Not saying he's better than Ollie overall but his instincts and attacking positioning are better. On 31/01/2023 at 09:59, Tom13 said: I'm not saying he doesn't have strengths, but his weaknesses are glaring. It's not just chances he misses, it's a lot more than that. On 16/12/2022 at 13:01, Tom13 said: No certainly not (agreeing with someone saying he's not awful). Just frustrating that he has as many negatives as positives. On 07/11/2022 at 14:00, Tom13 said: I did feel like I'd had enough of him after the Newcastle game. Yet here he is, performing well a week later. Hold my hands up, that was an extreme view, but most of what I say about him I stand by. But I do know he has certain very good qualities. On 07/11/2022 at 10:56, Tom13 said: The first goal summed him up in a way. Although it was good feet and a very well executed pass, watching it back, he should be playing that pass a second or two earlier. Might sound picky but it can make a difference. Luckily the space was still there to exploit. I want him to improve and succeed as much as anyone, as I've said, certain aspects of his game are top drawer. It's just the others that need work. I was most likely wrong to write him off under Unai but that Newcastle performance annoyed the hell outta me. @bobzy you'd never make a detective But, looking back through my posts, I am repetitive when I go on about what I feel is missing from his game. So I get why it comes across I'm being unnecessarily negative. I genuinely have nothing against him, just get frustrated with certain aspects of his game. That's all. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 25 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: I'll own you right now. Head over to the Buendia thread and we'll throw down.. Get my Emi's name out of your damn mouth. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) On the first touch thing, I dont think Haaland has a great technique for example the issue is he has so little involvement in the game that his goals brush over it. Watkins on other hand is more involved in our play that he will lose the ball more often because of it so looks worse I dont think Ollie is that great technically but he isnt as bad as some make out. For me his biggest flaw was finishing one on ones. He doesn't score that Arsenal goal under last regime Edited February 28, 2023 by Zatman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 56 minutes ago, Tom13 said: @bobzy you'd never make a detective But, looking back through my posts, I am repetitive when I go on about what I feel is missing from his game. So I get why it comes across I'm being unnecessarily negative. I genuinely have nothing against him, just get frustrated with certain aspects of his game. That's all. Even with posting all that... I can't see a single strength you've stated? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talldarkandransome Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 So the gist of this thread is, Ollie is Shit, great, world class, average, a baller, a bellend, wonderful, hard working, industrious, fantastic, a finisher, a barn door misser, superb, extraordinary a right back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, Talldarkandransome said: So the gist of this thread is, Ollie is Shit, great, world class, average, a baller, a bellend, wonderful, hard working, industrious, fantastic, a finisher, a barn door misser, superb, extraordinary a right back And he's on 160k a week like Digne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 34 minutes ago, Talldarkandransome said: So the gist of this thread is, Ollie is Shit, great, world class, average, a baller, a bellend, wonderful, hard working, industrious, fantastic, a finisher, a barn door misser, superb, extraordinary a right back and 6ft 7" when playing well and 4ft 2" when playing badly. Also shaves his beard off when he's shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 49 minutes ago, bobzy said: Even with posting all that... I can't see a single strength you've stated? Really mate? His strengths are that he's a physical beast - stamina, pace, work rate, energy, strength, determination - all in abundance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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