Aaron Ramsey

[WallisFrizz]

1 minute ago, The_Steve said:

Not necessarily. It's complicated.

What if a third club comes along with a bigger offer than the original club was offering? Does the original club have to match it? What if the third club then ups its offer in response?

This was a similar scenario to the Toby Alderweireld situation discussed above. In practice, a selling club, just as Atletico did, can have the benefit of a stipulated transfer amount cancellation clause, which caters for such a scenario where a third club bids more than the stipulated buy-back amount. Whether such a cancellation clause is inserted in the first place can depend on the negotiation position of the parties. If the original seller (who will have the benefit of the buy-back) is in a strong position, there is less likelihood of such a cancellation figure being inserted or in the alternative the cancellation figure being set at a high sum.

If there is such a provision and the buy-back cancellation sum is paid to the original club, then the selling club is free to sell the player and accept a higher amount. If the club refuses to pay the buy-back cancellation sum or there is no clause in the contract, then the original selling club should be able to enforce the buy-back clause so long as it can agree personal terms with the player and that the player wishes to re-join the club (though these factors may not be straightforward in practice!). [1] Note that for ease of reference the drafting presumes that the player will be playing in the Premier League for the first two seasons. If the player, for example, was transferred after his first season, and that season was not covered by a buy-back clause (which would be very unlikely), the buying club may still have the benefit of a first refusal transfer clause to match any other offers.

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Doesn’t that basically say that there can also be a buy back cancellation clause. But that only gets added if the original selling club is willing to add it (which I presume we wouldn’t be)?

[StanBalaban]

11 minutes ago, The_Steve said:

Burnley would be stupid to pay £12m for a loan; even if he stays for 2 seasons, that's £6m a year. Makes zero sense.

It wouldn't be a loan though.

IF this offer is true then it makes a lot of sense. For AJ to get 2 years of regular PL football under his belt will do wonders for his development, especially at a team that play good football under Kompany.

Selling him outright would cost a lot more than 12m. For us to include the option to take him back in a couple of years, there would have to be some carrot and stick involved. The carrot for Burnley is they get a hugely promising player for just 12m. The stick is if he's proves to be good enough for us in a couple of years, we get to buy him back (presumably under his market value too).

He's not going to get that much game time here this season. He's a professional footballer - he'll want to be playing PL football. For all we know, this is something coming from the player's side.

Also, 12m incoming allows us to spend 60m (on a 5 year deal) under FFP. This all seems to be a win / win if it is as described.

[The_Steve]

Someone pay the £2 and find out the gossip. It's ridiculous to hide rumours behind a paywall.

[deeps]

Buy back clauses are how a lot of big clubs do things. Shows how far we have come. 

[Rolta]

4 minutes ago, villarule123 said:

If this happens, it stinks of us trying to get ahead of potential FFP problems next summer.

Such a negative take! (although I'm sure it would be helpful)

[Awol]

Great, now going to have to watch Burnley games every week. 

[villa82]

4 minutes ago, The_Steve said:

Someone pay the £2 and find out the gossip. It's ridiculous to hide rumours behind a paywall.

Full article.

Exclusive

By Alan Nixon

Burnley and Aston Villa are close to a £12 million deal for Aaron Ramsey - with a buy back clause agreed.

The shock swoop by Vincent Kompany should go ahead as the bulk of the transfer is now in place, including the young Villa midfielder’s terms.



Burnley are happy to pay the fee to land a player they want in a tricky transfer market where they have suffered so many delays and frustrations.

The only hurdle is Ramsey agreeing terms with Villa if he returns to them in the ‘buy back’ scenario.

The complex move is the brainchild of new Villa transfer guru Monchi who is getting money in for the club but with a guarantee they can bring back the home grown player.
 

[duke313]

Chelsea had a buy back clause inserted for Nathan Ake when they sold him to Bournemouth. City came in and bid more and the player chose City.

The buy back clause only means they have to accept our agreed price. It doesn’t stop other teams offering more, I’m pretty sure that would be illegal.

[BOF]

Ok this rumour needs to stop now. Don't like it. Go away.

[The_Steve]

1 minute ago, villa82 said:

Full article.

Exclusive

By Alan Nixon

Burnley and Aston Villa are close to a £12 million deal for Aaron Ramsey - with a buy back clause agreed.

The shock swoop by Vincent Kompany should go ahead as the bulk of the transfer is now in place, including the young Villa midfielder’s terms.



Burnley are happy to pay the fee to land a player they want in a tricky transfer market where they have suffered so many delays and frustrations.

The only hurdle is Ramsey agreeing terms with Villa if he returns to them in the ‘buy back’ scenario.

The complex move is the brainchild of new Villa transfer guru Monchi who is getting money in for the club but with a guarantee they can bring back the home grown player.
 

Thank you!

This whole thing stinks - highly doubt he knows what Monchi is about. Just because it is more common in Spain does not mean we would do it now. Too many risk factors.

[villa4europe]

All for £12m FFP wriggle room

Madness

[Hank Scorpio]

9 minutes ago, The_Steve said:

Someone pay the £2 and find out the gossip. It's ridiculous to hide rumours behind a paywall.

You don't know how to get around them? It's quite easy

[WHY]

This forum is always good value. When we signed Dougie there were plenty of fans saying it was just a glorified loan and were wetting the bed that City would buy him back. We do exactly the same and it’s a terrible idea.

Not sure if it’s good or bad but I trust the club to do the right thing, they haven’t got much wrong since Emery arrived. 

Edited August 5, 2023 by WHY

[The_Steve]

10 minutes ago, WallisFrizz said:

Doesn’t that basically say that there can also be a buy back cancellation clause. But that only gets added if the original selling club is willing to add it (which I presume we wouldn’t be)?

Two scenarios:

We are confident AJ would stay so set a very high cancellation of the buy-back fee e.g. £10m, meaning that Burnley pay £22m and hope that a third bidding club pays above whatever the cancellation fee is, but most importantly, we have a contract in place, which he might change his mind on depending on what such a deal is. There's a lot of risk factors involved. The other scenario is that we intend to trigger the deal within a year and insert a low cancellation as standard and already agreed with AJ that he's back next summer.

[Hank Scorpio]

1 minute ago, villa4europe said:

All for £12m FFP wriggle room

Madness

We must be really close to being docked points next financial year.

[The_Steve]

2 minutes ago, villa4europe said:

All for £12m FFP wriggle room

Madness

Which is why I don't believe it.

[MWARLEY2]

2 minutes ago, villa4europe said:

All for £12m FFP wriggle room

Madness

Or another take on it...... Keeping a player developing who currently doesnt have a pathway to the first team while keeping an option for him to return to us. 

[KAZZAM]

7 minutes ago, BOF said:

Ok this rumour needs to stop now. Don't like it. Go away.

Yep don't like these rumours at all. Feels high risk with someone we've had high hopes for and almost a legacy player. 

Edited August 5, 2023 by KAZZAM

[StanBalaban]

4 minutes ago, villa4europe said:

All for £12m FFP wriggle room

Madness

12m incoming is 60m when amortised under FFP. It's not chump change.

[Awol]

1 minute ago, Hank Scorpio said:

We must be really close to being docked points next financial year.

Sure, it seems really likely that the people running the club have no idea what they are doing, so need to make some emergency sales of youth players to stay within FFP/FFS.