snowychap Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, villakram said: What is it about then? Severe illness, long lasting effects and complications (especially fatigue, organ issues), &c. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 9, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 9, 2020 Yes, it appears that even entirely healthy and otherwise fit and low risk people are getting long lasting and significant effects from contracting the virus. But that's harder to quantify and makes the virus much scarier (it appears to literally be a lottery whether you get this and you barely know, or get it and puts you in a grave, or get it and end up with significant complications). Focusing on the deaths isn't telling the whole story. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 A load of junior football games where I live have been cancelled for 2 weeks due to the large amount of kids that are isolating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted October 9, 2020 Author Share Posted October 9, 2020 2 hours ago, snowychap said: Severe illness, long lasting effects and complications (especially fatigue, organ issues), &c. Severe illness - reasonably constrained, not too alarming. Long lasting effects - unknown, but do remember to take your "vaccine", the producer is indemnified afterall... by you dear taxpayer. Complications - reasonably well constrained. Duplication of point one when important, unknown regarding point 2. The complications resulting from needing to stay in an ICU are simply to be expected, and likewise if you need to stay in a hospital and bare little relevance to the general infection case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post snowychap Posted October 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2020 50 minutes ago, villakram said: Severe illness - reasonably constrained, not too alarming. Long lasting effects - unknown, but do remember to take your "vaccine", the producer is indemnified afterall... by you dear taxpayer. Complications - reasonably well constrained. Duplication of point one when important, unknown regarding point 2. The complications resulting from needing to stay in an ICU are simply to be expected, and likewise if you need to stay in a hospital and bare little relevance to the general infection case. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Vaccine conspiracies, of course 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 hour ago, villakram said: Long lasting effects - unknown Randomly swelling joints and bouts of intense fatigue ongoing in friends infected in April. It's put me off catching it and letting nature take its course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Xann said: It's put me off catching it and letting nature take its course. The less viruses that infect me the better however I won't live in fear of them either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, villa89 said: The less viruses that infect me the better however I won't live in fear of them either. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted October 9, 2020 Author Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Xann said: Randomly swelling joints and bouts of intense fatigue ongoing in friends infected in April. It's put me off catching it and letting nature take its course. Just a difference in how one understands the term 'long term' then. There's lot's of these anecdotes swirling around, no where near as much study, which of course will take time, so somewhat of a catch 22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Genie said: A load of junior football games where I live have been cancelled for 2 weeks due to the large amount of kids that are isolating. Children are not a risk group. It’s probably better that they get their immunity and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 9, 2020 Moderator Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 minute ago, LondonLax said: Children are not a risk group. It’s probably better that they get their immunity and move on. ... to infect other people, with a virus you can catch more than once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, bickster said: ... to infect other people, with a virus you can catch more than once Not really. It seems you can catch different strains but that is rare enough to make the news. Knowing what we know now I really think the ‘shut down society and wait for a cure’ brigade are actually causing more harm than they are hoping to prevent. Edited October 9, 2020 by LondonLax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 9, 2020 Moderator Share Posted October 9, 2020 Just now, LondonLax said: Not really. It seems you can catch different strains but that is rare enough to make the news. Sorry, this is nonsense. I know three people who've had it twice myself. Not actually sure if one of them doesn't currently have it a third time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, bickster said: Sorry, this is nonsense. I know three people who've had it twice myself. Not actually sure if one of them doesn't currently have it a third time Ok, and what are you suggesting we do about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 9, 2020 Moderator Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 minute ago, LondonLax said: Ok, and what are you suggesting we do about that? Don't take risks bsed on a false premise 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 55 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Pfff, we have a vaccine and a treatment for that minor illness now. Incidentally it's the same drug used for C19. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, bickster said: Don't take risks bsed on a false premise Is halting every child’s education for a year (or more) a risk worth taking? There are genuine questions that seem to get lost in the culture wars that have unfortunately take over any rational discussion about Coronavirus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 9, 2020 Moderator Share Posted October 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Is halting every child’s education for a year (or more) a risk worth taking? Actually we were talking about kids football matches but as you've brought it up, it actually has a number of benefits. Firstly we start kids in school earlier than a lot of countries for starters, so delaying entry into the school system for a year for everyone will not actually do any harm. It would also give those kids who currently have left school and can't get a job a bit of a head start on the other side of this I will acknowledge that there is a downside to it too but my aim is to point out that it isn't as bad a suggestion as you believe it to be FWIW I think the disadvantages probably outweight the advantages but not by that much. It wouldn't be the disaster many keep saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, bickster said: Actually we were talking about kids football matches but as you've brought it up, it actually has a number of benefits. Firstly we start kids in school earlier than a lot of countries for starters, so delaying entry into the school system for a year for everyone will not actually do any harm. It would also give those kids who currently have left school and can't get a job a bit of a head start on the other side of this I will acknowledge that there is a downside to it too but my aim is to point out that it isn't as bad a suggestion as you believe it to be FWIW I think the disadvantages probably outweight the advantages but not by that much. It wouldn't be the disaster many keep saying There are plenty of headlines in the news at the moment with stories about uni students getting mass outbreaks in their dormitories etc and I have to ask, is that really a problem? Essentially what I am trying to say here is that it is frustrating that an issue that should be dealt with in a clinical scientific way seems to have fallen into the usual culture wars, where you pick your team and fight that corner to the death. As we find out more about this virus the costs seem like they are becoming harder to justify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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