foreveryoung Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 10 minutes ago, choffer said: Pretty much nails it for me: Nails it! Facist nightmare, wake up chap, your going a little too far there. Must be a nightmare living in your shoes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 I for one thoroughly approve of us paying millions to put a sparkly hat on the head of a man who has a tax free £15 Billion pound property portfolio. Apparently he also owns the seabed off Barry Island. Completely sane system, we should stick with it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 14 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Nails it! Facist nightmare, wake up chap, your going a little too far there. Must be a nightmare living in your shoes. I don't think it's a massive stretch to suggest we're living under a fascist government to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 I'm all for the coronation in its full splendour and spectacle - just reinforces how this country hasn't changed and instead of looking to the future it stares back at the past for comfort. There's now a couple of generations at least completely put off by the whole thing, and who the 2 main political parties have abandoned, and they will be more determined than ever to choose a path that sees the royals reduced and retired in the not too distant future. Saw old Ann on the tellybox t'other day, she suggested the royals provide a special kind of stability to the country - do they bollocks, they provide themselves stability. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mjmooney Posted May 3, 2023 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted May 3, 2023 3 hours ago, TheAuthority said: Interesting - how come? I thought since that famous "friendly" when Rangers came down and tore through VP & Aston, Villa and Celtic had a kin relationship? Plus all of the Irish players we had in the 90's including the our Lord & savior, hallowed be his name. Despising Celtic does not preclude despising Rangers. Why do you assume that an (atheist) English football fan should take sides in a pathetic Scottish sectarian feud? And as for McGrath and co, last time I checked, Glasgow was in Scotland, not Ireland. Both lots of the 'old firm' can get in the sea, along with the royal family. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 I'd have probably gone up and seen the procession with the family if the route had been a bit longer , but as its quite a short procession and the chances of seeing much are slim .. there's nothing like a bit of pomp and tradition and I'm sure it would have been great to witness in the flesh ... VT can (and will) grumble away about taxpayers money and how many nurses we could have had instead but , to be honest if the UK were a republic , I'm fairly sure VT would be arguing the case for being a monarchy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted May 3, 2023 Author Share Posted May 3, 2023 Has anyone without a monarchy ever argued the case to have one? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: I'd have probably gone up and seen the procession with the family if the route had been a bit longer , but as its quite a short procession and the chances of seeing much are slim .. there's nothing like a bit of pomp and tradition and I'm sure it would have been great to witness in the flesh ... VT can (and will) grumble away about taxpayers money and how many nurses we could have had instead but , to be honest if the UK were a republic , I'm fairly sure VT would be arguing the case for being a monarchy Really. Humour aside, I’ve never met a yank who would like a King, or a Frenchman who has anything but love for their republic. It’s going to be a generational decision I think. It won’t happen in my lifetime, but I like to think that my grandchildren will live to see this Royal circus end. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, meregreen said: Really. Humour aside, I’ve never met a yank who would like a King, or a Frenchman who has anything but love for their republic. It’s going to be a generational decision I think. It won’t happen in my lifetime, but I like to think that my grandchildren will live to see this Royal circus end. I think it needs to be passed through parliament first and then a referendum carried out and I'm not sure there is enough support there , even allowing for the Tory wipe-out in 2024 I believe Brown was going to try and put it to a vote in Parliament during his tenure , but the financial crisis came along and he decided to save the world instead .. don't think anyone has come lose to proposing it since then ? My school days , we received mugs , coins etc to commemorate royal events , i don't know if the schools still do stuff like that ? but if todays kids are ambivalent to it then , yeah it could well be by the time of your grandchildren "support" for the royal family has declined to a point where change becomes inevitable Edited May 3, 2023 by tonyh29 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 2 hours ago, bobzy said: I don't think it's a massive stretch to suggest we're living under a fascist government to be honest. It is, it really is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted May 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted May 3, 2023 (edited) 48 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: It is, it really is! On reflection, you’re right. Your well argued and evidenced rebuttal has completely won me over. Edited May 3, 2023 by choffer Typo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 3, 2023 Moderator Share Posted May 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: It is, it really is! I'm just curious here. Which definition of Fascism are you using to assess this? Mussolini's, Franco's, Umberto Eco's or another definition? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 Quote trying to define fascism is like trying to nail jelly to the wall - Ian Kershaw 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 Pretty high bar describing anyone as fascist, there's plenty of room below that level which is pretty darn bad. Take Lady Victoria Hervey - prince andrew's ex girlfriend (she was too old for him) - suggesting all anti royal protestors should be locked up before the coronation. I imagine that sort of thinking is quite prevalent among that lot - yet lots of Brits herald these cluckers. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 3, 2023 Moderator Share Posted May 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Genie said: Has anyone without a monarchy ever argued the case to have one? Yes, Greece had a particular habit of abolishing / restoring throughout the twentieth century (there are a couple of others too) There have also been a good number of referenda where the Monarchy has been retained (but that isn't what you asked) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted May 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted May 3, 2023 Our current regime is not remotely fascist, that's a silly notion. However, there are certainly elements in it who have fascist sympathies. We should not be complacent. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 3, 2023 Moderator Share Posted May 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Our current regime is not remotely fascist, that's a silly notion. However, there are certainly elements in it who have fascist sympathies. We should not be complacent. Agreed but I'd go further than that, they are using some rhetoric and political tactics that have clearly been borrowed from Fascist and National Socialist propaganda from the first half of the twentieth century 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 Great little microcosm of why discourse is really important though this little tangent. And hence why I think streets of people should be encouraged to have a right good piss-up with the neighbours whenever they like. Words are powerful. I'd be surprised if anyone in here is going to argue for an authoritarian dictator type system, and for many that's what the word fascism represents, hence why it triggers a response. And Id agree with both points if we talk about the definitions. We don't live in a society that fits a classical definition of a dictatorship so I agree it's use is nonsensical, and at the same time I see a clamping down on opposition and dissent around me, I see a form of corporatism playing out around me, there's an undeniable use of nationalism as a motivational tool by the legislature, there's the creating of an internal and external threat. Many of the measures central to most definitions are hard to ignore when laid out and so I also understand why it is used in the context that it is by the twitter OP and why, paradoxically, I agree it's use is totally sensical It's a lot easier, face to face, to talk calmly and nicely to people about the ideas and ideals that we share, rather than getting het up over whether we can use this label or that label in order to make a point, or indeed to dismiss one - and/or the person or group identity behind it's use. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegis Posted May 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted May 3, 2023 14 hours ago, bickster said: Not me, I'm forced to be off to "celebrate" this horseshit, I'd rather have my day off back thanks So this is not an extra day, but taken out of your personal days off? That can **** off 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 3, 2023 Moderator Share Posted May 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Tegis said: So this is not an extra day, but taken out of your personal days off? That can **** off Despite what some lucky people will tell you in this forum about their annual leave packages, most people in the UK get a set number of days off that include public holidays, so if a new public holiday is declared, it comes off your personal allowance, the number of days off doesn't change. Kind Sausage FIngers has granted me a holiday I can't choose. Word Removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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