messi11 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, Rolta said: Nooo. That would be crippling. They've been two of our best players in the new era. I'm taking with a pinch of salt. bailey apprently there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted November 13, 2022 Moderator Share Posted November 13, 2022 I remain a lot less convinced than many on here that Archer will become quite the player they have in mind. We've had no choice but to keep him on this season because we don't have very many options up front. I think training here with the players we have and the managers he's working his way through will help him during his career, but for him personally it's probably a pity that he couldn't get a loan in the first half of the season. If we buy well in January, hopefully we can get him that loan and either keep him as a back up or find better value for him in the summer. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyClarke Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: I remain a lot less convinced than many on here that Archer will become quite the player they have in mind. We've had no choice but to keep him on this season because we don't have very many options up front. I think training here with the players we have and the managers he's working his way through will help him during his career, but for him personally it's probably a pity that he couldn't get a loan in the first half of the season. If we buy well in January, hopefully we can get him that loan and either keep him as a back up or find better value for him in the summer. I'd agree on this, he did well on loan last season but I haven't seen anything that suggests he will go on to play regularly at a higher level. We shall see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, AndyClarke said: I'd agree on this, he did well on loan last season but I haven't seen anything that suggests he will go on to play regularly at a higher level. We shall see. He's not had the chance so how can you say that? Unless you're at the training ground everyday Edited November 13, 2022 by messi11 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyClarke Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 22 minutes ago, messi11 said: He's not had the chance so how can you say that? Unless you're at the training ground everyday I've seen him in u18s, on loan, in the u21s/u23s and the first team. That is what I base my opinion on, like it or lump it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermon Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Thought he did well when he came on, showed tenacity and strength. Will only get better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May-Z Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 I look at Summerville at Leeds and think Archer could be having a similar output of he was given the same opportunities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 14, 2022 Author Share Posted November 14, 2022 17 hours ago, supermon said: Thought he did well when he came on, showed tenacity and strength. Will only get better It was a thankless task but he did well for what he had to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reivax_Villa Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 17 hours ago, May-Z said: I look at Summerville at Leeds and think Archer could be having a similar output of he was given the same opportunities. I think that is a very harsh comparison to make. Summerville is ahead of Archer in terms of development and they are different archetypes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Archer needs longer than 10 minutes though. I think emery goving him that long was longest he has here in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 (edited) I think he is more of a pure goal poacher and won't get involved very much like a Watkins unless we are controlling games. I think Unai long term wants runners. Even the number 9. Not sure Archer ever is gonna be that player. Edited November 14, 2022 by Pinebro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May-Z Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 8 hours ago, Reivax_Villa said: I think that is a very harsh comparison to make. Summerville is ahead of Archer in terms of development and they are different archetypes So, if Archer had 16 apps (including 10 starts) you don't think he'd have around 4 goals in that time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 10 hours ago, Zatman said: It was a thankless task but he did well for what he had to do Yeah I thought we brought him on to do doggies that ings isn't able to do And to be fair to archer I thought he put the graft in and did it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 On 13/11/2022 at 11:36, supermon said: Thought he did well when he came on, showed tenacity and strength. Will only get better I thought he looked a bit lost and was slow to react when the ball changed possession or field. But it’s really hard to judge those things on tv when it’s focused (too tightly) on the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adman Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 On 13/11/2022 at 13:41, AndyClarke said: I've seen him in u18s, on loan, in the u21s/u23s and the first team. That is what I base my opinion on, like it or lump it! See I just think his name sounds cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reivax_Villa Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 15 hours ago, May-Z said: So, if Archer had 16 apps (including 10 starts) you don't think he'd have around 4 goals in that time? It's hard to asses if you are estimating this 4 goal tally based on Summerville's performances. There has been a lot of dysfunction in this squad and goals have been hard to come by for the large portion of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 On 13/11/2022 at 13:00, OutByEaster? said: I remain a lot less convinced than many on here that Archer will become quite the player they have in mind. Based on watching plenty of him, or a hunch? Genuinely asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 17 hours ago, Pinebro said: I think he is more of a pure goal poacher and won't get involved very much like a Watkins unless we are controlling games. I think Unai long term wants runners. Even the number 9. Not sure Archer ever is gonna be that player. Not so sure about that. Think it was Forest away, he was coming deep and looking for it. Had one nice dribble, put a neat ball into Watkins and wanted the return. Watkins took a poor touch and he never got it back. I need to see more of him but that linkup attempt looked a very natural part of his game to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, Tom13 said: Not so sure about that. Think it was Forest away, he was coming deep and looking for it. Had one nice dribble, put a neat ball into Watkins and wanted the return. Watkins took a poor touch and he never got it back. I need to see more of him but that linkup attempt looked a very natural part of his game to me. After Liverpool and Spurs, we have two home games vs Wolves and Leeds, the latter two are games Archer could feature in. If we don't see him much in any of them games, he should be loaned out for the reamainder of the season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 13 minutes ago, duke313 said: After Liverpool and Spurs, we have two home games vs Wolves and Leeds, the latter two are games Archer could feature in. If we don't see him much in any of them games, he should be loaned out for the reamainder of the season. I think he will be loaned out in january personally. Id see if rangers or celtic wanted him on loan or someone like QPR in championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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