Genie Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Just now, Stevo985 said: You might just have it on dark mode... (That's not some weird racist joke They're genuinely rolling out a dark mode at the moment I believe) You could be right, it’s not clear if it’s related or not. I mentioned IF it’s because of the BLM then I’d see it as over stepping the mark of what I want to get from eBay. If it’s not then I need to figure out how to revert it back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC_Hitz Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: You might just have it on dark mode... (That's not some weird racist joke They're genuinely rolling out a dark mode at the moment I believe) I prefer dark mode on everything. From messenger to PornHub. That's all I have to say on this matter. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 (edited) Well I don't doubt for a second that there are tons of companies who are posting a black picture on social media or whatever to look woke or like they care while at the same time denying their workers toilet breaks as they are producing BLM merch for f all an hour slaving in a sweatshop. Edited June 12, 2020 by sne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, sne said: Well I don't doubt for a second that there are tons of companies who are posting a black picture on social media or whatever to look woke or like they care while at the same time denying their workers toilet breaks as they are producing BLM merch for f all and hour slaving in a sweatshop. Look no further than Primark posting BLM messaging. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 1 minute ago, sne said: Well I don't doubt for a second that there are tons of companies who are posting a black picture on social media or whatever to look woke or like they care while at the same time denying their workers toilet breaks as they are producing BLM merch for f all and hour slaving in a sweatshop. Ah yes - let's criticise all companies supporting a movement, good or not, because there will be some bad eggs who are exploiting it. Does it really matter? Does it annoy you so much that some company spent 10 seconds putting up a black box on instagram? This whole debate is going down the toilet because people are complaining about minutia rather than actually seeing what this is about. The irony that people complain about losing their TV-shows because of some morally questionable sketches, but the same people wanting to sensor companies from supporting a movement is hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 (edited) Who wants to censor them? @Genie doesn't want political statements from his online tat platform, others are either amused or unimpressed by hypocrisy of some of these big businesses posting woke messaging while continuing their mass exploitation. I don't see anyone wanting to ban such statements. Edited June 12, 2020 by Davkaus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterw Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 43 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Can we call them brown? I know many people that have called them coconuts. I do know what you mean though. There may come a day where the colour of high profile positions are irrelevant. But as we were talking about people in the BAME community not getting opportunities I think it was relevant to bring up. Even though it’s the exception rather than the norm. Everyone gets labelled for ease of reference as much as anything. my point being that they aren't 'Indian' as they aren't from India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Just now, magnkarl said: Ah yes - let's criticise all companies supporting a movement, good or not, because there will be some bad eggs who are exploiting it. Does it really matter? Does it annoy you so much that some company spent 10 seconds putting up a black box on instagram? This whole debate is going down the toilet because people are complaining about minutia rather than actually seeing what this is about. The irony that people complain about losing their TV-shows because of some morally questionable sketches, but the same people wanting to sensor companies from supporting a movement is hilarious. What on earth are you on about If you feel calling out hypocrisy is wrong then by all means drink your Soda Steam and eat your palm oil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterw Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: Not sure if you are aware there is a lot of poverty amongest white communities as well, as well as asian. Undeniably true, but the nub of the debate is why are those identified as BAME disproportionately affected, and does that then reflect in the mindsets of those that racially profile. the police do it, as do many (most?)enforcement agencies. Throw the fact that in the US enforcement agencies are armed into the mix, and you can see the powder keg that is ignited so very often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 1 minute ago, sne said: What on earth are you on about If you feel calling out hypocrisy is wrong then by all means drink your Soda Steam and eat your palm oil The point being that if people keep focusing on small things like we have for a long time and causing a fuss about it, it detracts from the real issue. Primark is a crap unethical chain, it's been unethical for years and keeps getting blasted for it. People get judged for the colour of their skin by a whole society, yet some people can't see past a few minutes of John Cleese and LB getting removed from their library of gazillion videos. Some people don't know how good they have it. I never had a soda stream, and I don't tend to buy products with palm oil, thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 1 minute ago, magnkarl said: The point being that if people keep focusing on small things like we have for a long time and causing a fuss about it, it detracts from the real issue. Primark is a crap unethical chain, it's been unethical for years and keeps getting blasted for it. People get judged for the colour of their skin by a whole society, yet some people can't see past a few minutes of John Cleese and LB getting removed from their library of gazillion videos. Some people don't know how good they have it. I never had a soda stream, and I don't tend to buy products with palm oil, thank you very much. I'm kinda hoping people can do both, but whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Would it make people happier if whenever anyone posts anything that's not entirely supportive of the UKBLM organisation or responses to it, we also add "But obviously systemic racism is a much bigger problem"? I thought it kind of went without saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StefanAVFC Posted June 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Would it make people happier if whenever anyone posts anything that's not entirely supportive of the UKBLM organisation or responses to it, we also add "But obviously systemic racism is a much bigger problem"? I thought it kind of went without saying. I mean sure, but there have been some posters who have posted nothing about the cause, or the systematic racism, and a lot about how they're angry about statues going down and tv shows having scenes reworked so. It's a tightrope. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Just now, Davkaus said: Would it make people happier if whenever anyone posts anything that's not entirely supportive of the UKBLM organisation or responses to it, we also add "But obviously systemic racism is a much bigger problem"? I thought it kind of went without saying. This isn't the issue. The issue is that the majority in societies get stuck on things like losing 10 episodes from a crap comedy show from their ITV player till they're blue in their face rather than focusing on why they are removed. If society could think like you want it to it would not be a problem, the last year is testament that it doesn't. Knife crime, poverty and race riots in London is an idication that our society won't think those two thoughts at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 FWIW (because people who are angry at this have already made their minds up) the Fawlty Towers edits are nothing to do with the war, but the repeated use of the n word (that was already edited from BBC versions but remains in the original version on non-BBC streaming platforms. And also, the decisions to remove tv shows or edit them are done by the execs within the networks, not from BLM pressure. Target them, not the movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: I mean sure, but there have been some posters who have posted nothing about the cause, or the systematic racism, and a lot about how they're angry about statues going down and tv shows having scenes reworked so. It's a tightrope. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and assume it's mostly a matter of things being topical, that's it for me, at least. I don't post a lot about how awful racism is in the UK because...there hasn't really been a big moment to talk about. We clearly have problems, including with institutional racism in the police, stop and search numbers show that clear as day. It's nothing new, and there are no recent developments though, so there's not often much to talk about. Whereas these protests and some of the more questionable things that are being done are all over the news, and getting loads of attention. I can see your frustration of people nitpicking with fringe problems rather than the core problem protesters are complaining about. I have some frustration that people seem to assume malice, racism, or at least antipathy towards racism when people criticise UKBLM or some of the more radical protesters. Edited June 12, 2020 by Davkaus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 12, 2020 Author Share Posted June 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Davkaus said: I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and assume it's mostly a matter of things being topical, that's it for me, at least. I don't post a lot about how awful racism is in the UK because...there hasn't really been a big moment to talk about. We clearly have problems, including with institutional racism in the police, stop and search numbers show that clear as day. It's nothing new, and there are no recent developments though, so there's not often much to talk about. Whereas these protests and some of the more questionable things that are being done are all over the news, and getting loads of attention. I can see your frustration of people nitpicking with fringe problems rather than the core problem protesters are complaining about. I have some frustration that people seem to assume malice, racism, or at least antipathy towards racism when people criticise UKBLM or some of the more radical protesters. Ive been stopped and searched on a few ocacsions i really dont see what the big issue with this is. If you abide the law they will let you go. Its been by white officers mainky but on one occasion it was a black copper. Didnt even cross my mind it was racist. Police have a tough enough job. I have no problem with that aspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: If you abide the law they will let you go. Breonna Taylor was sleeping. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 12, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted June 12, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: FWIW (because people who are angry at this have already made their minds up) the Fawlty Towers edits are nothing to do with the war, but the repeated use of the n word (that was already edited from BBC versions but remains in the original version on non-BBC streaming platforms. And also, the decisions to remove tv shows or edit them are done by the execs within the networks, not from BLM pressure. Target them, not the movement. I've been talking about this with my family. They all love Fawlty towers but when my sister posted this story to our whatsapp group (outraged because they assumed it was for the german/war part) and I told them it was for using the N word, nobody even remembered that scene. Because it's usually edited out when it's on TV. It's a complete non story. The streaming service is taking it down, to review it and probably edit it before re-uploading it, which has already happened when it's aired on TV but nobody even noticed. Times change. Things that were acceptable at one point in time aren't acceptable now. There's nothing wrong with pulling or editing offensive TV shows 10 or 20 0r 50 years later due to changing opinions. Nobody is punishin Cleese or Lucas or Walliams. Nobody is saying oh my god they were **** racist weren't they?! They're just acknowledging that what was acceptable then isn't acceptable now. It really is not a big deal. It is something that has happened for a long long time before this. I'm sure people were complaining when "Till Death Us Do Part" or "Love Thy Neighbour" got deemed inappropriate but there's not many people who would argue now that they should still be shown on TV. Edited June 12, 2020 by Stevo985 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: Ive been stopped and searched on a few ocacsions i really dont see what the big issue with this is. If you abide the law they will let you go. Its been by white officers mainky but on one occasion it was a black copper. Didnt even cross my mind it was racist. Police have a tough enough job. I have no problem with that aspect. The stats (compared to personal experiences) show the contrary. I don't think you'd feel this way if you were jogging past a "white" neighbourhood and got stopped every time because they thought you would or just stole someone's watch due to running. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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