rodders0223 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 2 hours ago, kevpants said: The Mings bashing has to stop. It's bordering on bullying/abuse now. Absolutely ridiculous. We're posting on a message board our opinion of a player and his worth to the team. I'm not hearing anybody shouting abuse at him from the stands. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I actually thought Mings was causing them problems when driving forward first half. Ok didn’t come to much but it was definitely causing issues for them. His runs forward were brilliant, and he very nearly set up a goal. Watching Liverpool v Leicester, they had Matip doing something similar, so it's maybe something Gerrard has picked up from Klopp as a way of creating overloads. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Tom13 said: Literally no-one thinks this anymore. I am sure some expert like Danny Murphy or Gary Neville thinks its his thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiezels Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Fact is he has more touches, makes more progressive passes, has more carries, clearances, tackles & interceptions, aerial duels won, recoveries, & blocks than konsa. He is also our organiser at the back There's a reason he makes more mistakes. He takes on more responsibility Taken from elsewhere 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I actually thought Mings was causing them problems when driving forward first half. Ok didn’t come to much but it was definitely causing issues for them. He probably should have had an assist for Digne, he dummied one of the defenders out of the game Edited February 11, 2022 by Zatman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Has Mings been getting it really bad on social media. I only really use VT but I’ve been told by mates he has. What’s wrong with people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, spiezels said: Fact is he has more touches, makes more progressive passes, has more carries, clearances, tackles & interceptions, aerial duels won, recoveries, & blocks than konsa. He is also our organiser at the back There's a reason he makes more mistakes. He takes on more responsibility Taken from elsewhere I think its a fair shout. Albeit, its is hard to just sit an watch, school boy errors. Tyrone for me transformed our back line when he came, But he needs much better protection,than he is getting, as in this league, the better offensive players will test you more. Much of the stuff he gets involved in, the midfielders should be involved, in tracking back.....they are too passive at times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 11 minutes ago, TRO said: I think its a fair shout. Albeit, its is hard to just sit an watch, school boy errors. Tyrone for me transformed our back line when he came, But he needs much better protection,than he is getting, as in this league, the better offensive players will test you more. Much of the stuff he gets involved in, the midfielders should be involved, in tracking back.....they are too passive at times. He does make a lot of schoolboy errors, that is the one aspect of his game i worry about. Gerrard needs to calm him down a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiezels Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 30 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Has Mings been getting it really bad on social media. I only really use VT but I’ve been told by mates he has. What’s wrong with people? It’s pretty grim actually. Our own fans make compilations of his mistakes in a game, say the 3 goals and a time he misplaced a pass and post them, they then get reposted and liked by hundreds sometimes thousands of other fans including villa, where people rinse him. You could make a negative or positive compilation for any player in any game so it’s bullshit and pretty low. especially when well followed often villa accounts, re post them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 (edited) The irony is.....Tyrone Mings is still our best defender. It's a team thing. When centre backs get that exposed, errors are bound to occur. Edited February 11, 2022 by TRO 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derryvillan Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 41 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Has Mings been getting it really bad on social media. I only really use VT but I’ve been told by mates he has. What’s wrong with people? Seen comments on Facebook of Villa 3-Mings 3 etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The_Steve Posted February 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2022 This is man management 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KentVillan Posted February 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2022 1 hour ago, spiezels said: Fact is he has more touches, makes more progressive passes, has more carries, clearances, tackles & interceptions, aerial duels won, recoveries, & blocks than konsa. He is also our organiser at the back There's a reason he makes more mistakes. He takes on more responsibility Taken from elsewhere Yeah I think I dug this up on FBRef a few weeks ago. You can have a look here: https://fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi?request=1&sum=0&comp_type=by_type&dom_lg=1&spec_comps=big_5&player_id1=8397a50c&p1yrfrom=2021-2022&player_id2=0313a347&p2yrfrom=2021-2022 (click on Toggle per90 for a fair comparison on each table). Quote Compare player statistics for: Tyrone Mings in 2021-22 vs. Ezri Konsa in 2021-22, Domestic Leagues. Some of the stats have drifted a bit into Konsa's favour, actually - he's (very) slightly ahead on tackles and pressures. But Mings is some way ahead on blocks and interceptions, is better in the air, and also does a lot more with the ball. He's just a busier player. Maybe sometimes he shoulders too much responsibility, but wouldn't you rather have a player like that in your squad? And to whoever said the "bullying" accusation is ridiculous... well okay, he's a professional footballer, he's going to get abuse. But it's very personal, don't you think? People don't like Mings. The Leeds fans took great pleasure in singing "Tyrone Mings is ****ing shite". He's definitely become a bit of a lightning rod. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Vive_La_Villa Posted February 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, KentVillan said: Yeah I think I dug this up on FBRef a few weeks ago. You can have a look here: https://fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi?request=1&sum=0&comp_type=by_type&dom_lg=1&spec_comps=big_5&player_id1=8397a50c&p1yrfrom=2021-2022&player_id2=0313a347&p2yrfrom=2021-2022 (click on Toggle per90 for a fair comparison on each table). Some of the stats have drifted a bit into Konsa's favour, actually - he's (very) slightly ahead on tackles and pressures. But Mings is some way ahead on blocks and interceptions, is better in the air, and also does a lot more with the ball. He's just a busier player. Maybe sometimes he shoulders too much responsibility, but wouldn't you rather have a player like that in your squad? And to whoever said the "bullying" accusation is ridiculous... well okay, he's a professional footballer, he's going to get abuse. But it's very personal, don't you think? People don't like Mings. The Leeds fans took great pleasure in singing "Tyrone Mings is ****ing shite". He's definitely become a bit of a lightning rod. He’s an England international and ambassador, he’s very vocal on social media and he’s club captain captain. He’s only a little prone to lose his cool at times. Opposition fans will target him for abuse and try to get on his back. Totally understand that. What’s depressing is when our fans do the same. Edited February 11, 2022 by Vive_La_Villa 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Zatman said: Who is a top 6 centre back though. Eric Dier, Davinson Sanchez, Lindelof, John Stones, Soyuncu, the incredible ball playing Harry Maguire They were regular top 6 Premier League defenders over the last few seasons This is spot on. The quality of centre backs across the league is pretty poor. Or perhaps its the quality of the attacking that is good at the moment. Football is rewarding fluid attacking teams, not defensive minded teams (see Man City) so it's not a surprise to see the average quality of defenders in the top 6 be pretty poor. And yes, Mings is as good/bad as any of those listed. Edited February 11, 2022 by MrBlack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomC Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 It's fair to say that this has not been his best season for us. But sometimes players have bad seasons. Let's not write him off. He's had enough good seasons for us that he's earned it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 You guys are making some good points about quality of defenders in the PL. The attacking quality of virtually every PL team is of a very high standard just look at the goals conceded column, there are only four or five teams who are good at keeping the goals out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: You guys are making some good points about quality of defenders in the PL. The attacking quality of virtually every PL team is of a very high standard just look at the goals conceded column, there are only four or five teams who are good at keeping the goals out. Yes that shows just how good van dijk is, playing in a team that scores nearly 3 goals a game and conceding less than a goal a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 What saddens me is when our manager states that the team will always stand together you can tell he is talking about abuse from our own fans. If we are okay slinging abuse like that against our own player then maybe it is time for him to move on. If I'm tired of all the bleating everytime he miscontrols a ball then I know Mings is completely done with it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 1 minute ago, PaulC said: Yes that shows just how good van dijk is, playing in a team that scores nearly 3 goals a game and conceding less than a goal a game. Then surely Dias and Laporte are much better or Matip is his equal Liverpool are far off scoring 3 goals a game this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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