one_ian_taylor Posted October 18, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 18, 2023 54 minutes ago, Keyblade said: My Arabic isn't the best, but I like to think I'm at least good at picking up accents, and Mr. Operative #2 had an accent unlike any Palestinian accent I ever heard. I showed it to my Jordanian Palestinian friend and he laughed at the absurdity of the recording (down to the how each guy in the recording is on a different stereo channel ). Can't tell if it's AI or just crappy acting. It sounds like one of those listening exercises in an Arabic course Fair enough - sounded like Palestinian Arabic to me, but my Arabic is rusty, and the fact that I could follow it with relative ease is maybe a telltale sign... For an intercept, you would often/usually have two channels, so I'm not sure that tells us much 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 8 minutes ago, Thug said: You’ve lost me again. See Panto's reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 23 minutes ago, fruitvilla said: See Panto's reply. Pantos reply mentions nothing of religious right. once again, what do you mean that the illegal settlements are a solution for ‘short-term’ problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 18, 2023 Moderator Share Posted October 18, 2023 11 minutes ago, Thug said: once again, what do you mean that the illegal settlements are a solution for ‘short-term’ problem? As already explained quite clearly, the short term problem is Netanyahu trying not to go to jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 10 minutes ago, Thug said: Pantos reply mentions nothing of religious right. once again, what do you mean that the illegal settlements are a solution for ‘short-term’ problem? There’s a point at which you’re just going to need to do some reading for yourself, but the “short term problem” is Netanyahu finding enough votes for his political survival, which he’s done by turning to the parties representing the religious right. The ultra-orthodox / fundamentalist Jews are extremely conservative, highly nationalist and make up a disproportionately large (and growing) part of the settler movement. They’re also considered a burden by the rest of Israel because they’re exempt from serving in the IDF and are paid by the state to study the Torah instead of working. It’s highly unlikely any future leader will give them the same level as support as Netanyahu does. They’re being allowed to settle the West Bank for short term political convenience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talldarkandransome Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Is anyone wondering, (back in the day of course), what the girl on page 3 would have to say about this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 52 minutes ago, Panto_Villan said: There’s a point at which you’re just going to need to do some reading for yourself, but the “short term problem” is Netanyahu finding enough votes for his political survival, which he’s done by turning to the parties representing the religious right. The ultra-orthodox / fundamentalist Jews are extremely conservative, highly nationalist and make up a disproportionately large (and growing) part of the settler movement. They’re also considered a burden by the rest of Israel because they’re exempt from serving in the IDF and are paid by the state to study the Torah instead of working. It’s highly unlikely any future leader will give them the same level as support as Netanyahu does. They’re being allowed to settle the West Bank for short term political convenience. Oh I’ve done plenty of reading. it was my turn to play 20 questions. This is not a short term problem. Let’s not even pretend that it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 21 minutes ago, Thug said: Oh I’ve done plenty of reading. it was my turn to play 20 questions. This is not a short term problem. Let’s not even pretend that it is. The fact you didn’t think my previous reply made any reference to the religious right in Israel suggests you’ve not done anywhere near enough reading on the topic to have such strong opinions about it. But go on then - tell me how Netanyahu’s legal problems are not a short term issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Panto_Villan said: There’s a point at which you’re just going to need to do some reading for yourself, but the “short term problem” is Netanyahu finding enough votes for his political survival, which he’s done by turning to the parties representing the religious right. The ultra-orthodox / fundamentalist Jews are extremely conservative, highly nationalist and make up a disproportionately large (and growing) part of the settler movement. They’re also considered a burden by the rest of Israel because they’re exempt from serving in the IDF and are paid by the state to study the Torah instead of working. It’s highly unlikely any future leader will give them the same level as support as Netanyahu does. They’re being allowed to settle the West Bank for short term political convenience. Strangely enough I completely missed your previous reply, even though I went back to look. That’s why I was so confused. Apolgies @fruitvilla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 10 minutes ago, Thug said: Strangely enough I completely missed your previous reply, even though I went back to look. That’s why I was so confused. Apolgies @fruitvilla No problem Thug. For me, it is not a question of who is wrong or right, or perhaps good or evil. It is about understanding the underlying dynamics. Of course, I get the Palestinian ire for being pushed around in their own country. I also get the Jewish desire for a homeland after millennia of prejudice. I don't see an easy answer. I don't see what the answer can be. But it is not painting one side as black and the other as white. I happen to see religion as stupid and in this particular instance as divisive. Again I don't know what the answer is but demonizing one side or the other is not it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 7 hours ago, fruitvilla said: I happen to see religion as stupid and in this particular instance as divisive. Again I don't know what the answer is but demonizing one side or the other is not it. This issue is much less about religion as it is about nationalism, race, and western influence in the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 17 hours ago, Thug said: Not how I see it. By accepting the hostages back, it weakens their stance to achieve what the actually want. They will kill their own citizens in air strikes before they’d lose any PR traction. Complete nonsense. They’ve gone to some lengths to prewarn Palestinians in the target areas of an impending strike. If they had wanted to wipe the Palestinians from the map they have more than enough capability to do that in a couple of days. Im not saying they are doing everything right - cutting off the water, power and food is pretty inexcusable but to say they don’t want to save the hostages as some kind of pretext to go in harder sounds like a conspiracy theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 1 hour ago, desensitized43 said: Complete nonsense. They’ve gone to some lengths to prewarn Palestinians in the target areas of an impending strike. If they had wanted to wipe the Palestinians from the map they have more than enough capability to do that in a couple of days. Im not saying they are doing everything right - cutting off the water, power and food is pretty inexcusable but to say they don’t want to save the hostages as some kind of pretext to go in harder sounds like a conspiracy theory. They killed 4000 Palestinian civilians, or would you rather me use the israeli connotation "human animals"? Building after building destroyed. They drop bombs on their heads in this open prison. This is an ongoing genocide where the occupying inhumane people are trying to push occupied population out of the country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 13 hours ago, Talldarkandransome said: Is anyone wondering, (back in the day of course), what the girl on page 3 would have to say about this I think she would be pushing some sort of peace statement along the lines of why fight when you can look at my lovely coconuts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumblerseven Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, momo said: They killed 4000 Palestinian civilians, or would you rather me use the israeli connotation "human animals"? Building after building destroyed. They drop bombs on their heads in this open prison. This is an ongoing genocide where the occupying inhumane people are trying to push occupied population out of the country. oh please... that human animal quote if you would apply even the bare minimal of good faith you would know what he wanted to say and who he was talking about. Phrases like open prison or genocide... I think if you are right your argument should stand without lies or exaggerations. Its very interesting that people would blame Izrael for dropping bombs on those buildings but they wont blame terrorists who occupies those building and uses population as human shields. Its very interesting that people would blame Izrael for locking and surrounding Gaza but they will ignore countless acts of aggression and terrorists acts and wars. What kind of blame bears Palestinian people for not deradicalizing their population for not creating a strong and good democratic opposition to hamas for not pushing them out of Gaza? none? give me break. Edited October 19, 2023 by Tumblerseven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jareth Posted October 19, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 19, 2023 27 minutes ago, Tumblerseven said: Its very interesting that people would blame Izrael for dropping bombs on those buildings but they wont blame terrorists who occupies those building and uses population as human shields. Its very interesting that people would blame Izrael for locking and surrounding Gaza but they will ignore countless acts of aggression and terrorists acts and wars. What kind of blame bears Palestinian people for not deradicalizing their population for not creating a strong and good democratic opposition to hamas for not pushing them out of Gaza? none? give me break. Didn't realise we had Villa fans in the IDF. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 23 minutes ago, Tumblerseven said: oh please... that human animal quote if you would apply even the bare minimal of good faith you would know what he wanted to say and who he was talking about. Phrases like open prison or genocide... I think if you are right your argument should stand without lies or exaggerations. Its very interesting that people would blame Izrael for dropping bombs on those buildings but they wont blame terrorists who occupies those building and uses population as human shields. Its very interesting that people would blame Izrael for locking and surrounding Gaza but they will ignore countless acts of aggression and terrorists acts and wars. What kind of blame bears Palestinian people for not deradicalizing their population for not creating a strong and good democratic opposition to hamas for not pushing them out of Gaza? none? give me break. oh so much propaganda! natanyahu called Palestinian children "the children of darkness". He called all the Palestinians human animals. I will never show good faith to a murderous terror regime. Never! How many dead Palestinians is good enough for you? You defend indiscriminate killing. Do you condemn natanyahu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phily85 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Jareth said: I think she would be pushing some sort of peace statement along the lines of why fight when you can look at my lovely coconuts. a profound statement as true today as it was back then 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post momo Posted October 19, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 19, 2023 Benzema tweetet in support of Gaza. Suddenly he is to be stipped from his French citizenship. https://www.politico.eu/article/france-senator-gerard-darmanin-demand-karim-benzema-stripped-citizenship-muslim-brotherhood-accusation/ Villa hero El Ghazi was suspended by his club for expressing solidarity with Palestine. This happens because Europe think Palestinians are of inferior species. That's dehumanization 100%. The Palestinian flag is prohibited in England. People has been arrested. The same in Germany and France. This is a violation of free speech and human rights with regards to Palestine. And people really defend and accept this. Europe said never again. But they lied. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Sunak , "we want you to win." Absolutely shocking statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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