Chindie Posted October 24, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I think the tvs shows is the biggest issue. They just are not good. Loki, she hulk wandavision have all not been very good. We are now seeing them happen to the films as well after endgame like you say. I mean the original daredevil jessica jones and punisher were before disney i think and were all very good. They've fumbled the TV stuff because they've not been able to solve some problems they raise. They want to make TV series that stand with the movies - and theres no reason thats a bad idea on paper - but it's very hard to do. They want to make TV series that can stand up to the movies and fit in the series as a whole, but they also can't allow the TV series to do too much, which results in shows that either aren't really fundamentally connected to anything in truly meaningful ways (e.g. Loki series 1 only really ties into the main franchise insofar as it develops a plothole from Endgame and formally introduces the new big bad - but not in a way that really matters) or where they are connected, are small side stories, which makes the TV shows feel less important (Falcon and Winter Soldier on paper does quite a lot of character development, but it's probably not so big that you can't gloss over it in the next movie with those characters, and it's story itself wouldn't sustain a tentpole movie without significantly upping stakes). The one place they've had this fall down was Wandavision and Dr Strange 2 - Wandavision is a small scale side story but the show is fundamental to where you find Wanda in Dr Strange 2, and if you hadn't watched Wandavision Dr Strange 2 will feel **** weird to begin with (although you can also criticise Dr Strange 2 in that the writers just whacked Wanda up to 11 in the evil stakes out of nowhere even if you'd watched Wandavision). It's also evident, to some extent, they've struggled with TV show formats. Some of the shows have the hallmarks of being initially invisioned as movie - Falcon whiffs of this certainly - that then got fudged around to make a series by extending out the run time and chopping it up a bit, scaling down and back. The more successful series they've done get around this - Wandavision was quite clever in how it mixes up a TV show format for example, and made it work. The Netflix stuff wasn't before Disney, but it was before the TV stuff was folded into Marvel Studios proper. The Netflix series were done by Marvel TV, who IIRC were essentially a spin off of ABC, Disney's TV arm in America. That was why they couldn't do too much true crossover with the movies - essentially just references to the movies to remind you its the same world - because basically they were made by different organisations and Marvel Studios would not allow 'their' product to be influenced by a sister organisation's work. But this also worked well because they chose to do street level characters who didn't need plotlines that overlapped with the big heroes, making plots far easier to write, and also could swerve darker than Marvel Studios would go at that time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 Long read, bit of a mess atm by the sound of it. Not much news perhaps. Blade movie sounds like a project Quote Crisis at Marvel: Jonathan Majors Back-Up Plans, ‘The Marvels’ Reshoots, Reviving Original Avengers and More Issues Revealed As public criticism mounts, Feige is pulling the plug on scripts and projects that aren’t working. Case in point: the “Blade” reboot. With Mahershala Ali signed on for the eponymous role of a vampire, things looked promising for a 2023 release date. But the project has gone through at least five writers, two directors and one shutdown six weeks before production. One person familiar with the script permutations says the story at one point morphed into a narrative led by women and filled with life lessons. Blade was relegated to the fourth lead, a bizarre idea considering that the studio had two-time Oscar winner Ali on board. Amid reports that Ali was ready to exit over script issues, Feige went back to the drawing board and hired Michael Green, the Oscar-nominated writer of “Logan,” to start anew. Speculation around town is that the studio is looking to make the film, now slated for 2025, on a budget of less than $100 million — a deviation from Marvel’s big-spending strategy. https://variety.com/2023/film/features/marvel-jonathan-majors-problem-the-marvels-reshoots-kang-1235774940/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 2, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 2, 2023 The Blade movie has been in limbo for a while. They probably announced it too soon and it's thrown then on how they introduce him into this world. Its no shock they've got troubles though, they've been rattled by the stuff of the last couple of years running into issues and it's obvious they've been fire fighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 All they have left is Deadpool. Everything since Tony Stark died has been so bad I'm surprised they haven't got Wayne rooney lined up as the next CEO . When I was young Disney was a benchmark. Now it's the complete opposite. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 10 hours ago, Brumerican said: All they have left is Deadpool. Everything since Tony Stark died has been so bad I'm surprised they haven't got Wayne rooney lined up as the next CEO . When I was young Disney was a benchmark. Now it's the complete opposite. For me all the recent corny cheesy unfunny marvel films (the marvels looks the worst out of all them) only one as you allude to that saves them is deadpool. They need to go darker on these to salvage the franchise but wont happen under disney 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villatillidie95 Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 Damn they got mahershala ali as lead, he was brilliant in luke cage 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 19 hours ago, Chindie said: The Blade movie has been in limbo for a while. They probably announced it too soon and it's thrown then on how they introduce him into this world. Its no shock they've got troubles though, they've been rattled by the stuff of the last couple of years running into issues and it's obvious they've been fire fighting. what's feige up to? have they promoted him in to a role that means he's bitten off more than he can chew? or has he just lost his shine? or is it as simple as they've used up the good characters, expanded too far and now cant control the animal they created? he's not as bad as Kennedy...but there definitely doesn't seem to be that golden touch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 3, 2023 37 minutes ago, villa4europe said: what's feige up to? have they promoted him in to a role that means he's bitten off more than he can chew? or has he just lost his shine? or is it as simple as they've used up the good characters, expanded too far and now cant control the animal they created? he's not as bad as Kennedy...but there definitely doesn't seem to be that golden touch Feige is widely considered as an extremely good exec, who is very, very, very good at polishing things in post production. Marvel is renowned for its films coming in hot, they will be tinkering them right up to the deadline l, with Feige hands on right to the end, and that has meant that they did a lot of CGI stuff very fast and hard, but which isn't good for the teams behind it all and also falls apart when the demands are pushed. Which leads to chaos as you juggle projects to try to buy yourself time. That seems to be what has happened. Feige has been swamped with stuff and the entire studio has wobbled. They were working on too much stuff at the same time, right when they also needed to develop a new start for the series, across movies and streaming, and also at a point where COVID happened and sent everything onto a tail spin, so they've made poor decisions in respect of writing etc and let things slip. I still think there's a bit of this being a bit overblown, there's a lot of bad faith stuff around Marvel criticism in recent years and there's a whiff of it in that Variety article (which others have also noticed - the example of the Blade script problems had a whiff of anti-woke whinging), but it's true that Marvel have had troubles in the last couple of years, which mostly boil down to bad scripts and poor decisions at fundamental levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 Since Spiderman 2: No Way Home which was the last of the 24 films that made up the Infinity War story, the MCU have had: Black Widow - Ok, but really should have been released whilst Black Widow was still a central (and alive) character. Shang-Chi - Decent film Eternals - Not great Spiderman 3: No Way Home - Fantastic Dr Strange 2 - ok Thor 4 - Terrible Black Panther 2 - ok Ant Man 3 - ok GOTG 3 - Decent Looking at it, it hasn't been that bad, but just not been that good idea. Average 6.5/10 across the 9 films. It's just that we expect 8/10 all the way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, ender4 said: Since Spiderman 2: No Way Home which was the last of the 24 films that made up the Infinity War story, the MCU have had: Black Widow - Ok, but really should have been released whilst Black Widow was still a central (and alive) character. Shang-Chi - Decent film Eternals - Not great Spiderman 3: No Way Home - Fantastic Dr Strange 2 - ok Thor 4 - Terrible Black Panther 2 - ok Ant Man 3 - ok GOTG 3 - Decent Looking at it, it hasn't been that bad, but just not been that good idea. Average 6.5/10 across the 9 films. It's just that we expect 8/10 all the way. Exactly. The issue is more that the stuff they've done is kinda... meh in concept. You've got the introduction of new characters which are never amazing, but Shang-chi did alright and Eternals was a fools errand that they **** up, and then you''ve got epilogue-y sequels which are all over the place - Black Widow is fine but it's basically filling a gap we didn't need filled and introducing the new Widow, NWH is great if Fan Service: the Movie, Strange 2 is capping off Scarlet Witch's story and otherwise is just a sequel (if unusual in the fact it's also pointedly a Raimi movie with my first horror movie vibes), Thor 4 is epilogue for Thor and made the mistake of giving the director free reign and he missed, Black Panther 2 is epilogue plus set up new Panther and clearly suffered from a muddled script and Covid, Ant-man 3 is just set up bait for the new big bad and it's also clearly suffered from Covid filming and bad concepts, and GotG3 is another epilogue story which is perfectly fine but isn't blowing your socks off. Then you chuck in the Disney+ stuff which they fumbled on the whole and you get the feeling they've lost it, but it's more that... they just didn't handle the transition out of the framework they had building to Infinity War/Endgame that well, and ended up pumping out loads of half baked epilogue/filler content while trying to navigate new formats, new characters, and where they're building up to next. Which they've made a big error on in my estimation - multiverse stuff, it's shit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Had no interest in it but with kingpin and a blink and you'll miss him DD appearance I might give that a watch, needs to be violent to work, it's got the old Netflix writers on it so maybe they'll do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 With absolutely no interest or intention to watch the marvels I've seen what the mid credit scene is Spoiler Beast! kelsey Grammar doing the voice again too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmygreaves Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 On 02/11/2023 at 19:17, sne said: Long read, bit of a mess atm by the sound of it. Not much news perhaps. Blade movie sounds like a project https://variety.com/2023/film/features/marvel-jonathan-majors-problem-the-marvels-reshoots-kang-1235774940/ https://youtu.be/3X1qIZf0w9w?si=qy-Juoi88T5B9PXr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 As expected marvels reviews has the film as one of the worst MCU movies. Its 3rd of the lowest rated by forbes behind the last ant man and eternals Its not suprising the trailer looked awful Apparently though one of the best mid credit scenes - which is bizarre left for one of the shottest marvel films. But the way disney is these days its no suprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 On 03/11/2023 at 17:06, ender4 said: Since Spiderman 2: No Way Home which was the last of the 24 films that made up the Infinity War story, the MCU have had: Black Widow - Ok, but really should have been released whilst Black Widow was still a central (and alive) character. Shang-Chi - Decent film Eternals - Not great Spiderman 3: No Way Home - Fantastic Dr Strange 2 - ok Thor 4 - Terrible Black Panther 2 - ok Ant Man 3 - ok GOTG 3 - Decent Looking at it, it hasn't been that bad, but just not been that good idea. Average 6.5/10 across the 9 films. It's just that we expect 8/10 all the way. It's spectacularly bad . Zillions of dollars spent and yet only one of the films scores higher than "decent" by your own admission. I wouldn't even call Antman "OK" . Everything good about the first two Antman films ( Being small and his funny pals ... Michael Pena specifically )were completely abandoned and replaced with his stupid ungrateful Mary Sue daughter and a dog shit story. It's sooooooo bad. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 15 hours ago, Demitri_C said: As expected marvels reviews has the film as one of the worst MCU movies. Its 3rd of the lowest rated by forbes behind the last ant man and eternals Its not suprising the trailer looked awful Apparently though one of the best mid credit scenes - which is bizarre left for one of the shottest marvel films. But the way disney is these days its no suprise Yet on rotten tomatoes it's certified fresh with 62% from over 200 reviews, and an audience approval figure of over 80%. Will probably go and see it with my daughter as she loves the female superhero angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 8 hours ago, Jon said: Yet on rotten tomatoes it's certified fresh with 62% from over 200 reviews, and an audience approval figure of over 80%. Will probably go and see it with my daughter as she loves the female superhero angle. Let us know how it is. Reading on the line the storylines a complete mess ans alot of the story does not make sense Ill wait for the dvd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizzzle Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Just watched The Marvels, I didn't hate it but it probably is my least favourite MCU film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted November 12, 2023 Author Share Posted November 12, 2023 Not seen the Marvels movie as it’s one I’m happy to wait until it’s in Disney plus. But can we talk Loki series? Firstly Hiddleston… is an incredible actor. loved the series and until the last episode kept you in your toes. The last episode though, it was good, but the way Loki was doing the time flip was very reminiscent of the first Doctor Strange film thought they could been more original than that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 On 11/11/2023 at 02:20, Jon said: Yet on rotten tomatoes it's certified fresh with 62% from over 200 reviews, and an audience approval figure of over 80%. Will probably go and see it with my daughter as she loves the female superhero angle. Its flopped in box office done less than 7 million dollars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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