The Video Assistant Referee (VAR)

[rjw63]

1 hour ago, villa4europe said:

it's worse...

cash is in a more natural position than Gabriel is

 

Indeed, I'd like to see any player attempt to block a cross like Cash did, with his arms gaffer-taped to his body.

Utter cobblers, sooner it's dumped the better (not that I believe it will as it gives extra chances for certain teams to benefit).

[Davkaus]

4 minutes ago, rjw63 said:

Utter cobblers, sooner it's dumped the better (not that I believe it will as it gives extra chances for certain teams to benefit).

Completely agree with you the decision is absolute bollocks - but this isn't a VAR problem.

The rules are bollocks, the refs are shit, and VAR (or it's implementation in England) is rubbish. 3 different ways that PGMOL are **** our game, but VAR had nothing to do with that one. 

[calcifer]

3 hours ago, rjw63 said:

Mitrovic the cheating word removed looked so injured he should have been stretchered off and subbed. 

What's that you say? Not injured in the slightest? 

I'm sure the pundits call it "clever". 

I call it cheating. 

Yeah he went down like he had been hit in the face by a prime Tyson, cheating spunk trumpet! Seemed fine 3 mins later! 

[bannedfromHandV]

So the Luiz red card has been overturned.

Seriously, can someone please tell me what the point of VAR is? 

[Stevo985]

No problem with the penalty last night but the red card was a bit of a joke. 
 

Very pleasantly surprised it’s been overturned

[villa4europe]

Now ban mitrovic

[Jimzk5]

27 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said:

So the Luiz red card has been overturned.

Seriously, can someone please tell me what the point of VAR is? 

I was more worried by the lack of the close up, even the highlights of the game don't go into the close up which is unusual, how was that decision made from footage 40 feet away

[tomav84]

20 minutes ago, villa4europe said:

Now ban mitrovic

well he should by default right? so they're saying that luiz did not make contact with his head, meaning that mitrovic must have dived, and that means you get banned for deceiving the ref like when bamford got banned for pretending el ghazi hit him

[Mantis]

Wasn't VAR introduced precisely so this sort of thing wouldn't happen (players getting wrongly sent off then having their red cards overturned when reviewed later)?

[blandy]

41 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said:

So the Luiz red card has been overturned.

Seriously, can someone please tell me what the point of VAR is? 

Sorry to be literal, but the point, as I see it at least, is to remove horrendous refereeing errors. Clear issues of “they got that one horribly wrong, put it right”. What it shouldn't be for is for a different person watching on the telly to have a different opinion to the actual match officials on a subjective decision.

So with players getting sent off or just booked over the years for what Luiz did, there’s been loads of occurrences of it being deemed yellow and loads of it being red. Historically some of the reds subsequently got overturned. I was at Man City when exactly the same thing happened to Lee Hendrie, when Danny wossisname did what Mitrovic did. Got overturned on appeal. But, last night, I thought “yeah, stupid. Harsh, but players have been sent off plenty times for that”. Liam Ridgewell was at another game (at VP). Not overturned.

You’ll never get 100% consistent decisions, VAR or no VAR. The ref didn’t see it. The VAR did. The ref was then told to have a look. He did. He thought it was red. Maybe if he’d seen it he would have also thought it a red. So the issue here is the ref thinking what Doug did was a red, and the appeal thinking it wasn’t a red. That’s not really on VAR. VAR didn’t make any ruling, they just said “have a look at this thing you didn’t see”

[foreveryoung]

2 hours ago, villa4europe said:

Now ban mitrovic

He needs to be, its blatant simulation. As for the handball, its proving time and time again even experienced refeerees are just reading from the book and not using common sense. 

[bannedfromHandV]

1 hour ago, blandy said:

Sorry to be literal, but the point, as I see it at least, is to remove horrendous refereeing errors. Clear issues of “they got that one horribly wrong, put it right”. What it shouldn't be for is for a different person watching on the telly to have a different opinion to the actual match officials on a subjective decision.

So with players getting sent off or just booked over the years for what Luiz did, there’s been loads of occurrences of it being deemed yellow and loads of it being red. Historically some of the reds subsequently got overturned. I was at Man City when exactly the same thing happened to Lee Hendrie, when Danny wossisname did what Mitrovic did. Got overturned on appeal. But, last night, I thought “yeah, stupid. Harsh, but players have been sent off plenty times for that”. Liam Ridgewell was at another game (at VP). Not overturned.

You’ll never get 100% consistent decisions, VAR or no VAR. The ref didn’t see it. The VAR did. The ref was then told to have a look. He did. He thought it was red. Maybe if he’d seen it he would have also thought it a red. So the issue here is the ref thinking what Doug did was a red, and the appeal thinking it wasn’t a red. That’s not really on VAR. VAR didn’t make any ruling, they just said “have a look at this thing you didn’t see”

Thing is, a bad call made spontaneously and in the heat of a game I can live with. A bad call being made by someone totally removed from the field I can’t abide.

The fact that there was no close up scrutiny of the incident, coupled with the ref using a backup device (I’m guessing a tablet or laptop) because the VAR screen wasn’t working just doesn’t sit well with me at all. Broadcasters are now able to have far too much involvement in the outcome of decisions and subsequently matches through what they do and don’t decide to show on the VAR replays.

Its killing the game.

[tinker]

2 hours ago, blandy said:

Sorry to be literal, but the point, as I see it at least, is to remove horrendous refereeing errors. Clear issues of “they got that one horribly wrong, put it right”. What it shouldn't be for is for a different person watching on the telly to have a different opinion to the actual match officials on a subjective decision.

So with players getting sent off or just booked over the years for what Luiz did, there’s been loads of occurrences of it being deemed yellow and loads of it being red. Historically some of the reds subsequently got overturned. I was at Man City when exactly the same thing happened to Lee Hendrie, when Danny wossisname did what Mitrovic did. Got overturned on appeal. But, last night, I thought “yeah, stupid. Harsh, but players have been sent off plenty times for that”. Liam Ridgewell was at another game (at VP). Not overturned.

You’ll never get 100% consistent decisions, VAR or no VAR. The ref didn’t see it. The VAR did. The ref was then told to have a look. He did. He thought it was red. Maybe if he’d seen it he would have also thought it a red. So the issue here is the ref thinking what Doug did was a red, and the appeal thinking it wasn’t a red. That’s not really on VAR. VAR didn’t make any ruling, they just said “have a look at this thing you didn’t see”

He didn't see it clearly  on VAR either though, otherwise he would have seen there was no contact as the appeal did. It's a farce because of its poor implementation and the refs poor interpretation. Ultimately it probably cost Gerrard his job.

 

[Zatman]

Scotland have introduced VAR today a quarter into the season

[rjw63]

54 minutes ago, Zatman said:

Scotland have introduced VAR today a quarter into the season

Oh the fools! 

[blandy]

9 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said:

Thing is, a bad call made spontaneously and in the heat of a game I can live with. A bad call being made by someone totally removed from the field I can’t abide.

The fact that there was no close up scrutiny of the incident, coupled with the ref using a backup device (I’m guessing a tablet or laptop) because the VAR screen wasn’t working just doesn’t sit well with me at all. Broadcasters are now able to have far too much involvement in the outcome of decisions and subsequently matches through what they do and don’t decide to show on the VAR replays.

Its killing the game.

It was nothing to do with broadcasters and what they do and don’t decide to show on the VAR replays. None of it is. The feed to Stockley park is the entirety of the live cameras (multiple) imagery. Mitrovic throwing himself to the floor will be what triggered the refs to look at what occurred.

I agree with you that “A bad call being made by someone totally removed from the field I can’t abide”. Like I said in my post, use VAR to overturn howlers, that’s it. 

[blandy]

9 hours ago, tinker said:

He didn't see it clearly  on VAR either though, otherwise he would have seen there was no contact as the appeal did. It's a farce because of its poor implementation and the refs poor interpretation. Ultimately it probably cost Gerrard his job.

 

I agree. The actual match referee decided there was contact and sent off Luiz. Sure he was alerted to the thing by VAR but it was the combination of Luiz thrusting his noggin at Mitrovic’s face and Mitrovic hurling himself to the floor that alerted the team. Like I said that has happened loads of times previously with players with the exact same (wrong) outcome. I mentioned being at Man City when the same thing happened with Lee Hendrie. I just mooneyed it

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City defender Mills has defended his actions though, and told the Mirror: "He shaped to headbutt me, but didn't make contact, missing by a couple of inches. The ref saw it and he was sent off for intent.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/mills-dont-blame-me-for-hendrie-red-1131214

The refs, to me, are third in line here for dickery. Mitrovic and Luiz are 1st and 2nd for their actions.

[bannedfromHandV]

1 hour ago, blandy said:

It was nothing to do with broadcasters and what they do and don’t decide to show on the VAR replays. None of it is. The feed to Stockley park is the entirety of the live cameras (multiple) imagery. Mitrovic throwing himself to the floor will be what triggered the refs to look at what occurred.

I agree with you that “A bad call being made by someone totally removed from the field I can’t abide”. Like I said in my post, use VAR to overturn howlers, that’s it. 

Well I’ve heard this before, that VAR get different angles and replays but how is that possible? Surely they only see what the broadcaster chooses to show them which appears to be evidenced by the fact that the on-field refs see exactly the same replays we see pitch-side.

[blandy]

2 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said:

Well I’ve heard this before, that VAR get different angles and replays but how is that possible? Surely they only see what the broadcaster chooses to show them which appears to be evidenced by the fact that the on-field refs see exactly the same replays we see pitch-side.

The VAR centre gets the continuous output from every camera. Same as the broadcaster’s editing centre. Broadcasters (director) select and switch feeds to follow the action or zoom in on a manager’s face or players reaction or crowd etc. and that choice is then broadcast to your tellybox.

VAR centre, they’re obviously not interested in crowd reactions, imagery of a player being treated for injury, close ups of faces and so on. So their multi screen feed of all the cameras outputs is, as I understand it, directed by a VAR video specialist to give the VAR official a collection/selection of the stuff they are there to be monitoring. It’s not Sky or Amazon or BT making that choice at all.

[bannedfromHandV]

3 minutes ago, blandy said:

The VAR centre gets the continuous output from every camera. Same as the broadcaster’s editing centre. Broadcasters (director) select and switch feeds to follow the action or zoom in on a manager’s face or players reaction or crowd etc. and that choice is then broadcast to your tellybox.

VAR centre, they’re obviously not interested in crowd reactions, imagery of a player being treated for injury, close ups of faces and so on. So their multi screen feed of all the cameras outputs is, as I understand it, directed by a VAR video specialist to give the VAR official a collection/selection of the stuff they are there to be monitoring. It’s not Sky or Amazon or BT making that choice at all.

Well I don’t definitely know because obviously I’ve never sat in the VAR centre but I think it’s possible you’re giving the whole operation far more credit than it deserves.

I imagine a gormless ex-referee sitting in a shitty little shack with a single screen watching the game as we all do except on a sub standard cheap TV and with at least one Premier League ‘representative’ watching over their shoulder.

The truth probably lies somewhere between the two extremes.

Edited October 22, 2022 by bannedfromHandV