magnkarl Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, PauloBarnesi said: Great headline Also important to remember that McDonnell is the same guy that wanted to honour IRA militants, another great pick for JC's cabinet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-internet-conservatives-government-a7744176.html Quote Theresa May is planning to introduce huge regulations on the way the internet works, allowing the government to decide what is said online. Particular focus has been drawn to the end of the manifesto, which makes clear that the Tories want to introduce huge changes to the way the internet works. Don't know whether this has been discussed before but any thoughts on what this would mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted May 19, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) The VPN business would be booming. Leaving aside how ridiculous and unworkable it is, how is there no massive outcry over the government wanting to control and view everything we do online? Steam open everyone's letters and there'd have been an outcry, but it seems there's no expectation of privacy in the digital world. It's porn being one of the big 'dangers' that gets me. She's in favour of 20 toffs on horseback chasing defenseless animals for miles, then ripping them apart with dogs, but thinks that cracking one off to porn is immoral and a danger to society. She's a **** mentalist. Edited May 19, 2017 by Davkaus 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 19, 2017 Moderator Share Posted May 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, PaulC said: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-internet-conservatives-government-a7744176.html Don't know whether this has been discussed before but any thoughts on what this would mean? It would mean the government pissing in the wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 She thinks she can tax Social Media platforms to apparently pay the costs neccesary to conduct statewide surveillance on them. She already wants to look at your browsing history (akin to tapping your phonecalls in my opinion), now she wants to restrict what you can see on the internet. Someone mentioned China and North Korea? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chindie Posted May 19, 2017 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2017 22 minutes ago, magnkarl said: You are arguing against Oxford's definition of socialism mate. Not mine. Having done a political science degree, I've never seen that definition used for socialism (assist from maybe someone trying to define the entire branch of left politics that includes communism a such). It appears to me that socialism, in the modern European sense, is meant by people to mean social democracy, welfare state stuff etc. Perhaps people are talking at cross purposes. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 The thing that does slightly worry me is if they legislate that software 'backdoors' should exist for the police to use. Otherwise yeah, everyone will use VPNs and other such technologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) Speaking of state surveillance, it's worth pointing out that manifesto bullshit aside, we already live in one of the most egregious, pervasive surveillance states in history. If you value your privacy, I'd recommend paying a few quid a month to protect it. The government has already passed legislation to compel ISPs to log data on every website you visit. I have no intention of recommending individual VPNs, but it's pretty cheap and quick and easy to setup, I'll just leave this here. https://thatoneprivacysite.net/ Edited May 19, 2017 by Davkaus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, Chindie said: Having done a political science degree, I've never seen that definition used for socialism (assist from maybe someone trying to define the entire branch of left politics that includes communism a such). It appears to me that socialism, in the modern European sense, is meant by people to mean social democracy, welfare state stuff etc. Perhaps people are talking at cross purposes. Which is what I was trying to point out here. Socialism is a bad word - not something we should be using to describe any sort of modern progressive government. There are/were no true socialist countries except for maybe Yugoslavia for about 2 years before Tito went mad. That definition is the definition now widely used to describe socialism. There's no socialist state in Europe. The Nordic Model is a pick and mix model where they've taken the best of left and right and applied it to a very lucky socioeconomic existence with relatively little strife, extreme prosperity and a liberal population. The UK cannot emulate that even if we wanted to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted May 19, 2017 Moderator Share Posted May 19, 2017 Rather than introduce more grammar schools, I think there should be an entrants exam for Polling Stations. Jesus wept... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 I'm torn between fury, and confusion about that person's gender. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 19, 2017 Moderator Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 minute ago, NurembergVillan said: Rather than introduce more grammar schools, I think there should be an entrants exam for Polling Stations. Jesus wept... I'll wager she voted Brexit and will have to sell her home when her senility gets worse to pay for her care. It's almost poetic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 All I know is that this currently Conservative government doesn't work. Under the Conservatives more people than ever are using food banks (1.2 million food packages given out a year by just the Trussell Trust), people are dying in the corridors of my local A and E hospital (Worcester Royal) waiting for a beds and patients are being turned away due to a lack of investment in cyber security. Less young people are able buy their own home, there are 19,000 less police and a 20% drop in the number of firemen. There is a cost of living crisis with 22% of people earning less than the 'living wage'. There is more inequality than ever in the UK and all this occurs as the Conservatives gift the highest earners in society tax breaks. I can't see how anyone can turn a blind eye to this and make it all about Brexit and immigration, which like I mentioned a few pages back is in my opinion, a national disgrace. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 minute ago, bickster said: I'll wager she voted Brexit and will have to sell her home when her senility gets worse to pay for her care. It's almost poetic Is it a she? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted May 19, 2017 Moderator Share Posted May 19, 2017 8 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: Rather than introduce more grammar schools, I think there should be an entrants exam for Polling Stations. Jesus wept... Er... entrance exams surely 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted May 19, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2017 2 hours ago, magnkarl said: Oh, you must mean like Communist Russia/Cambodia/Belarus/Yugoslavia/Nicaragua/Cuba/North Korea/Iran etc is/was failing right? If you consider our country to be failing, what do you consider of the few proper socialistic countries left in the world? Capitalism is intrinsically going to ebb and flow with the market, while socialism holds one line until the boat crashes into an iceberg called reality. There isn't a single positive story to report for socialism, it's ended in genocide, hunger, millions of people dead and a repressive society. Everyone may be born into a different wealth class in our country, but we can all register a company, work, invent and say what we want. You couldn't do that in a socialist state. No, I didn't mean like those. Socialism brought us the NHS, protective workers' rights, improved housing conditions and access to non-selective free education. I think that's a fairly **** awesome list. Unfettered capitalism will always fail just as the unfettered dictatorships you've listed will always fail. A nice mixed system for me, thank you very much. If I invent something cool and useful, I want the rewards. I can contribute more to society. If I fall on hard times and collapse in the street, I want to know an ambulance is coming regardless of any credit checks. My fear, is the constant rolling back of all those hard won socialist things that made life a bit better for everyday people. Why should the very water I drink be provided at a profit by a foreign business obliged to look after it's share holders first? How is that anywhere near a sane idea? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, PompeyVillan said: All I know is that this currently Conservative government doesn't work. Under the Conservatives more people than ever are using food banks (1.2 million food packages given out a year by just the Trussell Trust), people are dying in the corridors of my local A and E hospital (Worcester Royal) waiting for a beds and patients are being turned away due to a lack of investment in cyber security. Less young people are able buy their own home, there are 19,000 less police and a 20% drop in the number of firemen. There is a cost of living crisis with 22% of people earning less than the 'living wage'. There is more inequality than ever in the UK and all this occurs as the Conservatives gift the highest earners in society tax breaks. I can't see how anyone can turn a blind eye to this and make it all about Brexit and immigration, which like I mentioned a few pages back is in my opinion, a national disgrace. I agree with every word you have written here mate. I am not sure people are turning a blind eye more they are so influenced by the right wing rags/media who are supporting the Tories in making it all about Brexit. It is a disgrace and I can't believe how many are happy clapping their way into another five years of Tory rule. Edited May 19, 2017 by markavfc40 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 8 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: No, I didn't mean like those. Socialism brought us the NHS, protective workers' rights, improved housing conditions and access to non-selective free education. I think that's a fairly **** awesome list. Unfettered capitalism will always fail just as the unfettered dictatorships you've listed will always fail. A nice mixed system for me, thank you very much. If I invent something cool and useful, I want the rewards. I can contribute more to society. If I fall on hard times and collapse in the street, I want to know an ambulance is coming regardless of any credit checks. My fear, is the constant rolling back of all those hard won socialist things that made life a bit better for everyday people. Why should the very water I drink be provided at a profit by a foreign business obliged to look after it's share holders first? How is that anywhere near a sane idea? Couldn't agree more mate. I just think both our main parties are too far up their own arses to figure out that a pick and mix solution is viable. Corbyn's way will lead to bankruptcy and May's way will lead to a USA style system where only the rich will be okay. They're both too far gone either right or left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockingbird_franklin Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) The more I consider and contemplate and think about how Tory Policy usually works, the more i'm convinced the so called dementia tax is more about creating a nice new high profit financial product where the profit will come from old peoples homes equity, usually the real snide nasty stuff the words removed are up to is hidden beneath the surface, I'd put money of a few clandestine meetings and briefings with the city of londons big finance wheelers and dealers about this policy way before it was announced Edited May 19, 2017 by mockingbird_franklin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 What do you think is "too far left" about Corbyn? He's not dragging us in to a communist state, he's securing the welfare state on which millions of our most vulnerable people are reliant. I see loads of reasons to dislike Corbyn. He's not a great politician, and he seems to antagonise people rather than encourage them to his way of thinking, but honestly, I don't see much wrong with his policies at all. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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