General Election 2017

[magnkarl]

1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said:

The same polls showed the Tories with a huge gap a few weeks back and everyone shouted how Labour had no chance and it was going to be a landslide.

Take them with a pinch of salt, but it's clear to see that Labour are trending upwards right now and the Tories are floundering badly.

Which isn't reflective of your statement that Corbyn only appeals to the 'extreme left' which we both know is complete nonsense.

I didn't say that he only appeals to the extreme left. I said that he's pandering to them. If you are going to try to make an argument then please at least don't "project" something on me mate. Your whole argument just falls to bits when you are doing exactly what you said you despise about a party.

[Demitri_C]

25 minutes ago, villaglint said:

Has there ever been a U turn on a manifesto pledge BEFORE an election? Genuinely interested. 

Really surprised at how poor a PM she's turned out to be. She's pretty much gone back on everything she's said since she's been in power. 

Are you really that surprised? I knew she would be a horror show. I am expecting by the next election she will either have been forced out or labour win a complete landslide. She is a disaster and I have voted Tory for the last few elections.

The u turn at least is the right thing to do as that was despicable policy and she should be absolutely ashamed of herself for coming up with garbage like that.

[StefanAVFC]

4 minutes ago, magnkarl said:

I didn't say that he only appeals to the extreme left. I said that he's pandering to them. If you are going to try to make an argument then please at least don't "project" something on me mate. Your whole argument just falls to bits when you are doing exactly what you said you despise about a party.

Please explain how he's only pandering to the extreme left.

You made the statement, it's up to you to justify it, not get all defensive because I called you out on your nonsensical statement.

Edited May 22, 2017 by StefanAVFC

[magnkarl]

3 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

Please explain how he's only pandering to the extreme left.

You made the statement, it's up to you to justify it, not get all defensive because I called you out on your nonsensical statement.

Where did I say "only pandering to the extreme left"? You really need to calm down. You are projecting worse than Momentum on steroids.

I said he panders to the extreme left. Are you going to say that he isn't? He goes to socialist workers party meetings for pete's sake.

Edited May 22, 2017 by magnkarl

[StefanAVFC]

1 minute ago, magnkarl said:

You really need to calm down. 

I'm perfectly calm thanks.

1 minute ago, magnkarl said:

I said he panders to the extreme left. Are you going to say that he isn't? He goes to socialist worker's party meetings for pete's sake.

Once again, please explain how he is pandering to the extreme left. The burden of proof is on you, not me, as you made the statement.

[HanoiVillan]

31 minutes ago, itdoesntmatterwhatthissay said:

Yes, yes it was. If people don't know by now that the figure was an poorly crafted illustration rather than a fact then then they are listening to campaigns and not facts.

I know it wasn't a fact. I said at the time it wasn't a fact, and never would be. It was a lie, printed on the side of a bus and repeated at great length. 

[mockingbird_franklin]

7 minutes ago, DK82 said:

 

this isn't a u-turn but an attempt at damage limitation, were gonna change things to make it better but we're not going to give you details on what were going to do other than mention a mystical cap without definition

[magnkarl]

Just now, StefanAVFC said:

I'm perfectly calm thanks.

Once again, please explain how he is pandering to the extreme left. The burden of proof is on you, not me, as you made the statement.

I already gave you the proof. Why are you so hurt for being called out for projecting? Corbyn often goes to SWP rallies - it really doesn't get more left than that. You can't call people out for doing one thing and then do the same thing as it suits you. The whole reason why Corbyn is the Labour party leader is because he energised the total left in his party. No one will deny that.

[itdoesntmatterwhatthissay]

6 minutes ago, mockingbird_franklin said:

I never believed the video was giving me all the facts, just countering many of the lies peddled by our current government, I may disagree with many things the conservatives are doing, but my contempt for them comes from the unprecidented levels of dishonesty lies, spin and down right snideyness that accompanies it, , in the same way my contempt for Tony Blair and new Labour was arrivd at.

Maybe if your analysis had been one of pointing out any inaccuracies and adding any relevant facts they omitted that you considered important, rather than being an anti anyone who critsises the Conservatives rant your post wouldn't have recieved the ridicule it deserved.

Please, read my initial post. It outlines most of what you request. I criticise not campaigning on policy but anti-Conservative rhetoric, the fact that it's a very Labour mouthpiece and in a further post show that PFI was not pointed out, despite being part of the websites direct criticism; I even mention NHS agency staff.

I don't feel ridiculed at all, sometimes you need to write a little to free up the entrenched. Hopefully you're less stuck in a cycle of WYSIWYG.

 

[choffer]

Just now, magnkarl said:

The whole reason why Corbyn is the Labour party leader is because he energised the total left in his party. No one will deny that.

They will but I suspect you won't accept it.

[StefanAVFC]

1 minute ago, magnkarl said:

I already gave you the proof.

No you didn't.

1 minute ago, magnkarl said:

Why are you so hurt for being called out for projecting?

I'm not hurt. I'm just asking you the same question over and over again and you're unable to answer it. So you're resorting to accusing me of projecting.

1 minute ago, magnkarl said:

Corbyn often goes to SWP rallies 

That's that folks. Corbyn panders to the extreme left because he goes to SWP rallies. Clear as mud.

Edited May 22, 2017 by StefanAVFC

[Dodgyknees]

Just now, mockingbird_franklin said:

this isn't a u-turn but an attempt at damage limitation, were gonna change things to make it better but we're not going to give you details on what were going to do other than mention a mystical cap without definition

No costings for it either, but then I guess that part still fits in with the rest of their manifesto.

[snowychap]

17 minutes ago, itdoesntmatterwhatthissay said:

You don't know anything about me and you haven't bothered to find anything out (clearly, as you haven't really read anything I've written).

I was just taking your two posts as quoted below at face value (link and link).

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I lobby for SME housebuilders

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 In fact my job is to lobby on behalf of SME housebuilders

Thanks for the list of all of the things that you've done. That list may well lend support to what I posted that your opinion may indeed be well-supported and of merit (I'll leave anyone else with much more expertise in the area than I have to comment on the list if they so wish) but it does not mean that what you have lobbied for (what you have been paid to lobby for) is necessarily the only immediate solution to an issue.

Edited May 22, 2017 by snowychap

[magnkarl]

Just now, StefanAVFC said:

No you didn't.

I'm not hurt. I'm just asking you the same question over and over again and you're unable to answer it.

That's that folks. Corbyn panders to the extreme left because he goes to SWP rallies. Clear as mud.

And here we go again, you reply to something that is fact by ridiculing the statement. Corbyn activated the left of his party to remain leader - no one denies that. I really don't know why you are so beleaguered on this point.

[itdoesntmatterwhatthissay]

1 minute ago, magnkarl said:

I already gave you the proof. Why are you so hurt for being called out for projecting? Corbyn often goes to SWP rallies - it really doesn't get more left than that. You can't call people out for doing one thing and then do the same thing as it suits you. The whole reason why Corbyn is the Labour party leader is because he energised the total left in his party. No one will deny that.

It's something I like the most about him; his willingness to embrace everyone. 

Sadly he hasn't quite shown the same regard for the rest of society, eg-those on the supposed right, especially relative to Brexit, but I am blaming his party for keeping him under wraps because his Eurosceptic attitude probably would've split the party further; despite me desperately wanting to hear what he really thought.

[Dodgyknees]

1 minute ago, magnkarl said:

And here we go again, you reply to something that is fact by ridiculing the statement. Corbyn activated the left of his party to remain leader - no one denies that. I really don't know why you are so beleaguered on this point.

What? Are they droids or something? I think the biggest membership uptake in history was what helped him remain leader. Stop with these crazy conspiracy theories. 

[StefanAVFC]

4 minutes ago, magnkarl said:

And here we go again, you reply to something that is fact by ridiculing the statement. Corbyn activated the left of his party to remain leader - no one denies that. I really don't know why you are so beleaguered on this point.

Okay so, the goalposts have now changed from 'Corbyn panders to the extreme left' (with no explanation or proof) to 'Corbyn activated the left'.

I'm not beleaguered. I've simply asked the same question over and over again, which you've continuously dodged, made jibes at me, then moved the goalposts.

I'll ask once more.

How is Corbyn pandering to the extreme left (your words) of his party?

Edited May 22, 2017 by StefanAVFC

[villa4europe]

 

12 minutes ago, hippo said:

She will will still win the election of course - but the ultimate irony is it looks like she will weaker after the election than before it.

thats probably where i am at the moment, i think for the increase in popularity that corbyn has i still think he's got a vocal majority on social media thanks to the anyone but the tories stuff, seen it before, too many of those people dont vote...theres 2m new voters registered apparently but i still dont think the turnout will be high enough to overturn the majority the tories have in the more likely to vote older generation

at the last GE the highest turnout demographic was over 65s, labour had 1 in 4 votes from that age group, i dont see either element of that changing

but like you it'll still reflect badly on May, she looks inept

[a m ole]

28 minutes ago, magnkarl said:

This board is so funny, there's some REALLY loud Labour supporters who won't cede a single point about Labour, saying that the Conservatives are the masters of projection when JC's whole grassroots grouping, including momentum are the absolute kings\queens of projection. Look back at this thread at the amount of verbal abuse (see fascist, hitler etc) Labour supporters give out to anyone that doesn't have their views and you'll see why the average Joe who used to vote Labour now doesn't. At the same time you have hard Conservative posters who can't cede the fact that May just isn't capable of pushing this victory through. If this was 2008 David Cameron no one would even talk about Jeremy Corbyn because they'd be on TV debating JC's dubious connections and Cameron would wipe the floor with him.

Face it people. The Conservatives are shit, they've produced a manifesto without costings while attacking Labour for their costings. Labour are equally shit for getting rid of anyone in their party who had a voice of reason. Corbyn has no backbone when it comes to defending middle liners in Labour which will eventually turn a hell of a lot of swing votes against him. He's too busy pandering to the extreme left in his part which will turn off most of the traditional Labour vote. 

Corbyn has released a manifesto he knows won't float because he won't win, May has released a manifesto which is extremely conservative because she knows she will win. Both are equally brainless.

Some much assumption here that the people you are referring to are 'Labour Supporters' as opposed to impartial observant members of the electorate.

[magnkarl]

Just now, DK82 said:

What? Are they droids or something? I think the biggest membership uptake in history was what helped him remain leader. Stop with these crazy conspiracy theories. 

As in activating a younger vote which hadn't voted for a long time. Exactly what you were referring to. These younger voters fall far left of what the middle is in the labour party. The very fact that momentum now has the membership levels it does is proof to that.