Xela Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 3 hours ago, hippo said: Well he was at a well attended labour rally in Birmingham last night. I wouldn't call Birmingham a Labour stronghold. So you might need a rethink on that one I've always thought (maybe i'm wrong) that Brum is a Labour stronghold. I'm pretty sure Labour has had control of Brum City Council for the majority of the time it has been formed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted June 7, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 7, 2017 Hasn't Birmingham generally split? The inner city areas generally vote Labour, the outskirts and surrounding areas go Tory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 9 minutes ago, Xela said: I've always thought (maybe i'm wrong) that Brum is a Labour stronghold. I'm pretty sure Labour has had control of Brum City Council for the majority of the time it has been formed. That's Birmingham there, just 'left of centre' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazzap24 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 13 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Sugar left the party when Ed Miliband became leader so I'm not really sure he's jumping on a bandwagon "now" as such I know the background Tony, the 'Tory train' comment was in reference to him actively telling people to vote Tory recently. I've got no issue with him turning Tory, he's a rich selfish business man, It's pretty much accepted. My issue is, him leveraging his 'working class roots'. He would never have voted Tory back when was working class and it pisses me off that he's doing it, knowing full well that working class people will not be better off under the Tories. It's bollocks, but the sort of thing the average guillable Gary will swallow. I don't know why it's winding me up so much tbh, but it is. I think the impending sense of doom is clouding my thinking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuwabatake Sanjuro Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 One slight glimmer of hope for ye is the fact that Labour win the personality contest this time. I recall last election that an idiot footballer from the roughest part of Liverpool in Jon Walters voted tory on the basis of Ed Miliband being so pathetic (look natural Ed etc.). Just an example but I still maintain that Miliband's weirdness cost Labour massively last time, the tables have turned this time with May being seen as an empty coward while Corbyn has been very good at communicating with the public and he has substance as a person regardless of your opinions of him. It might be enough to get Labour close. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 16 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: Fair enough. Why though? I have always found the Labour party to be reckless spenders of public finances. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dodgyknees Posted June 7, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2017 Just now, KHV said: I have always found the Labour party to be reckless spenders of public finances. Whereas Tories just hand it to the rich. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 16 minutes ago, Chindie said: Hasn't Birmingham generally split? The inner city areas generally vote Labour, the outskirts and surrounding areas go Tory? 80 of the 120 councillors are currently Labour Of the 29 tories, 11 are in Sutton Coldfield (out of a possible 12!) and 3 in Edgbaston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 15 minutes ago, a m ole said: That's Birmingham there, just 'left of centre' That map is quite telling isn't it? I didn't realise that so many rich people lived in the UK as only the well off would vote tory... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazzap24 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kuwabatake Sanjuro said: One slight glimmer of hope for ye is the fact that Labour win the personality contest this time. I recall last election that an idiot footballer from the roughest part of Liverpool in Jon Walters voted tory on the basis of Ed Miliband being so pathetic (look natural Ed etc.). Just an example but I still maintain that Miliband's weirdness cost Labour massively last time, the tables have turned this time with May being seen as an empty coward while Corbyn has been very good at communicating with the public and he has substance as a person regardless of your opinions of him. It might be enough to get Labour close. The way Corbyn has turned things around is quite remarkable really. It's almost the very definition of zero to hero. From derided on all sides, to rapidly becoming a major cult hero. A bit like Bernie Sanders in a way (obviously, he never made it to the election, but the parallels are there in terms of strong grass root support), it makes you wonder what might have happened if he'd had the backing of his party from the start. If Corbyn had been backed by the senior members of the party and hadn't had to overcome all the opposition from his own side, they could have walked this. Edited June 7, 2017 by wazzap24 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 10 minutes ago, wazzap24 said: The way Corbyn has turned things around is quite remarkable really. It's almost the very definition of zero to hero. From derided on all sides, to rapidly becoming a major cult hero. A bit like Bernie Sanders in a way (obviously, he never made it to the election, but the parallels are there in terms of strong grass route support), it makes you wonder what might have happened if he'd had the backing of his party from the start. If Corbyn had been backed by the senior members of the party and hadn't had to overcome all the opposition from his own side, they could have walked this. I think therein lies the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 9 minutes ago, wazzap24 said: The way Corbyn has turned things around is quite remarkable really. It's almost the very definition of zero to hero. From derided on all sides, to rapidly becoming a major cult hero. A bit like Bernie Sanders in a way (obviously, he never made it to the election, but the parallels are there in terms of strong grass route support), it makes you wonder what might have happened if he'd had the backing of his party from the start. If Corbyn had been backed by the senior members of the party and hadn't had to overcome all the opposition from his own side, they could have walked this. The results aren't in yet , bit early to say he's turned it around i guess where it becomes interesting is where the labour candidate was campaigning almost as if Corbyn didn't exist ... if that person wins his seat will it be claimed as a victory for Corbyn ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 12 minutes ago, wazzap24 said: If Corbyn had been backed by the senior members of the party and hadn't had to overcome all the opposition from his own side, they could have walked this. In the same way Prime Minister Miliband did ? I think his party haven't helped him but to say he'd have walked it is like me saying I could have had a threesome with Talyor Swift and Ana de Armas .. it's wishful thinking and slightly deluded 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: The results aren't in yet , bit early to say he's turned it around i guess where it becomes interesting is where the labour candidate was campaigning almost as if Corbyn didn't exist ... if that person wins his seat will it be claimed as a victory for Corbyn ? That's it the polls are only an indicator and cant be taken too seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazzap24 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Just now, tonyh29 said: The results aren't in yet , bit early to say he's turned it around i guess where it becomes interesting is where the labour candidate was campaigning almost as if Corbyn didn't exist ... if that person wins his seat will it be claimed as a victory for Corbyn ? Ha yes, fair point. You have to give to him though, the general perception of him has shifted far more positively than I think most people thought it would? I think that's where I draw the Bernie Sanders comparison from, mocked by many of his peers and the media, but out in the real world, he had a ground swell of really passionate support. Good point on the second bit, I suppose it depends on the reason people vote for labour in that constituency. I'm voting for national leadership, local MP very much a secondary consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Xela said: That map is quite telling isn't it? I didn't realise that so many rich people lived in the UK as only the well off would vote tory... you're ignoring that cities are much more densely populated! Almost all large city areas - Birmingham, London, Manchester, Liverpool, Sheffield/Leeds/surrounding areas, Newcastle, Sunderland, Cardiff/Swansea, Leicester, Nottingham, Bristol vote Labour. Edited June 7, 2017 by a m ole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 4 hours ago, jon_c said: You know that's a parody account? It's about how bland (yet stable) politics would have been if Milliband had won the election. I thought that was his twitter account 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazzap24 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: In the same way Prime Minister Miliband did ? I think his party haven't helped him but to say he'd have walked it is like me saying I could have had a threesome with Talyor Swift and Ana de Armas .. it's wishful thinking and slightly deluded Different man, different time. Let's see what the result is on Friday morning. I fully expect the Tories to win, but I think their majority will be cut. If that happens, I'll stand by my comment. Because if he can do that from where he was 12 months ago, with virtually no senior support from within his own party, then I think with a fully supportive senior cabinet behind him from the start, Labour would have won. If it doesn't, I'll admit to being delusional and donate £10 to VT 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Could Be Rotterdam Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 If Corbyn had a fully supportive party behind him, with the manifesto he has, the election never would have been called by May. She underestimated him and regardless of whether the torys get a majority I'm certain she regrets it now. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 35 minutes ago, Xela said: That map is quite telling isn't it? I didn't realise that so many rich people lived in the UK as only the well off would vote tory... Tiries are very very very good liars. Most people I spoke to voted Tory because they are seen as trustworthy, people believe what they read and the two biggest papers help feed that. We don't live in a reql democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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