17/18 Promotion Charge

[Demitri_C]

34 minutes ago, Nigel said:

Surely if you finish in 3rd and 4th you should be given the option of home/away order!

I think Bruce would want the 2nd leg at Villa Park to be honest 

[omariqy]

The players should still believe that they can get autos otherwise what is the point. Stranger things have happened. No way do I think it will happen but you shouldn't give up on the chase until it is impossible. Win on Friday and we are one point behind Cardiff and 2 behind Fulham. Fulham have not needed to look over their shoulder yet so it brings a different kind of pressure. Obviously if they beat both Millwall and Brentford then we can forget it but until then never say never. 

[villa4europe]

32 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

I think Bruce would want the 2nd leg at Villa Park to be honest 

for some reason i dont think away goals count so yeah so would i

[Demitri_C]

1 minute ago, villa4europe said:

for some reason i dont think away goals count so yeah so would i

You are right away goals do not count for play offs 

[AntrimBlack]

That was a good performance and a great result. The team looked well up for it.

Unfortunately, it just illustrates what they might have achieved with a different manager.

We still have a chance of automatic promotion, but it is unlikely. So what I want is Fulham to go up automatically.

If Bruce can get this team playing to their potential, we can beat any of the teams likely to be in the playoffs. Unfortunately I am far from convinced by the manager's abilities.

[A'Villan]

17 minutes ago, AntrimBlack said:

That was a good performance and a great result. The team looked well up for it.

Unfortunately, it just illustrates what they might have achieved with a different manager.

We still have a chance of automatic promotion, but it is unlikely. So what I want is Fulham to go up automatically.

If Bruce can get this team playing to their potential, we can beat any of the teams likely to be in the playoffs. Unfortunately I am far from convinced by the manager's abilities.

This is something which I question as well.

Will we employ a game plan that is tailored to our opposition, and enables us to compete (or dominate) and play with chemistry?

Will we see four strikers on the pitch if we end up chasing the game? Further frustrating the teams ability to impose themselves on the game meaningfully.

Allowing forward players freedom to play their game is good when you have the talent, which we do, so I don't think it's fair for me to criticise Bruce there.

I will say though that we are not a team with drilled in systems which add to the magic and make the team less dependent on a piece of individual skill to create chances.

We seem fairly dependent on our individual efforts and nous to construct team performances rather than tactical nous which enhances those individual abilities through rapport and cohesion.

[StewieGriffin]

I still believe... 

[Zatman]

Only thing positive is we play first this weekend and a win puts pressure on teams above us. Fulham havent been in lead yet so might buckle under pressure and Cardiff hitting a slump

[ciggiesnbeer]

21 hours ago, jim said:

5

I added a point for goal diff. But yeah, you are right.

[TRO]

5 hours ago, AntrimBlack said:

That was a good performance and a great result. The team looked well up for it.

Unfortunately, it just illustrates what they might have achieved with a different manager.

We still have a chance of automatic promotion, but it is unlikely. So what I want is Fulham to go up automatically.

If Bruce can get this team playing to their potential, we can beat any of the teams likely to be in the playoffs. Unfortunately I am far from convinced by the manager's abilities.

Does it highlight that?.....is it a foregone conclusion another manager would have fulfilled our dreams.?....its a nice thought, I have to agree.

I seen nothing from last nights  game to suggest that.

on the basis of what you're convinced of, we might as well throw the towel in.

Edited April 11, 2018 by TRO

[Demitri_C]

Derby losing 2-0 That pretty much almost guranteed minimum 4th. Neves goal was absolutely sensational

[turvontour]

2 hours ago, StewieGriffin said:

I still believe... 

We still believe.

It's coming home......

 

But i still see that tackle by Moore (Stefan)

And when Luc Nilis scored

Bosko belting the ball

And Nobby (Solano) dancing

One lion on a shirt

Jules Reme Garde's still gleaming.

 

[dounavilla]

27 minutes ago, turvontour said:

We still believe.

It's coming home......

 

But i still see that tackle by Moore (Stefan)

And when Luc Nilis scored

Bosko belting the ball

And Nobby (Solano) dancing

One lion on a shirt

Jules Reme Garde's still gleaming.

 

36 years of hurt..

Never stopped Xia dreaming.

[terrytini]

6 hours ago, AntrimBlack said:

That was a good performance and a great result. The team looked well up for it.

Unfortunately, it just illustrates what they might have achieved with a different manager.

We still have a chance of automatic promotion, but it is unlikely. So what I want is Fulham to go up automatically.

If Bruce can get this team playing to their potential, we can beat any of the teams likely to be in the playoffs. Unfortunately I am far from convinced by the manager's abilities.

On the other hand one could argue that the ‘ other’ Manager might only have ever got Norwich performances  out of them ?

I have my issues with Bruce but I’m not convinced by some of the logic used to argue against him.

[terrytini]

2 hours ago, Demitri_C said:

Derby losing 2-0 That pretty much almost guranteed minimum 4th. Neves goal was absolutely sensational

He’s no Jack Grealish though 

[A'Villan]

2 hours ago, TRO said:

Does it highlight that?.....is it a foregone conclusion another manager would have fulfilled our dreams.?....its a nice thought, I have to agree.

I seen nothing from last nights  game to suggest that.

on the basis of what you're convinced of, we might as well throw the towel in.

I think that's a tad unfair, to say that AntrimBlack's comments are synonymous with throwing the towel in.

While I don't align myself with the idea that another manager would be doing a better job, I think it's reasonable to have doubts about some aspects of Bruce's methodology. 

[AntrimBlack]

9 hours ago, TRO said:

Does it highlight that?.....is it a foregone conclusion another manager would have fulfilled our dreams.?....its a nice thought, I have to agree.

I seen nothing from last nights  game to suggest that.

on the basis of what you're convinced of, we might as well throw the towel in.

From my last 2 sentences, Tro, you will see that I, far from throwing in the trowel, am still hopeful of promotion.

I obviously cannot know what a different manager might have achieved, but I can only base my opinion on what I have seen of Bruce.

You, of course, have an equally valid opposing opinion, and we really would not need this forum if we all agreed about everything.

But, more importantly, Tro, managers come and go, and you and I, whoever that manager, will always love and support our Aston Villa.

 

[DCJonah]

Keep fulham and boro out of the playoffs and I feel pretty confident. 

[Demitri_C]

I know alot of people are saying they want to avoid Millwall, I think I would rather avoid Boro as they have game winners like adama and bamford who could win them a game. Also Pulis is a very good manager. I think Millwall are dangerous but we have individuals who are better players so iIF we we were to put in a performance that we know we can, we will win. 

[8pints]

So we can finish with the maximum of 88 points

Fulham are 7 away from that (2 wins 1 draw a possible combination) and 12 more points to play for so that would be dropping 5 points.

Cardiff are 8 points away from that (2 wins 2 draws a possible combination) with 15 more points to play for so that would be dropping 7 points.

Derby are 20 points away from that with 12 more points to play for so would come up 8 points short even if they won all their games.

We're one behind Cardiff and five behind Fulham with goal difference currently but that would surely improve if we win win win and they do not.

 

I've got a good feeling we are going to go up automatically on goal difference.