DCJonah Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 7 hours ago, omariqy said: Do think it's a bit embarrassing that we have just won 4-1 and people are using it as a way to get another dig into Hogan. He's contributed to our good form. End of. I'm sure he will contribute again before the end of the season. Why? A win doesn't change all opinions on all players. Grabbans performance and how he has started shows how we've suffered having to rely on Hogan so much over the last year or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keener window-cleaner Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 10 hours ago, villa82 said: No he is not. Bent did it several seasons in the pl. Solsjær in the pl and cl. Hogan did it for half a season for Brentford in the championship. Hogan has five goals? for us this season, one of the best teams. Solskjær scored that many in one game, as a sub. I didn't say that Hogan is as good as Bent or Solskjär was in their prime. I compared their playing styles saying that Hogan is a poacher type like they were, and not a target player like Benteke for example. You don't agree with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keener window-cleaner Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 I think it was a mistake signing him and he was too expensive. But he has 8 goals in 19 starts, 0,42 goals a game, which isn't that bad. By the way, Gabby has 1 goal in 2 starts - bring on the goal machine! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 17 minutes ago, Keener window-cleaner said: I think it was a mistake signing him and he was too expensive. But he has 8 goals in 19 starts, 0,42 goals a game, which isn't that bad. By the way, Gabby has 1 goal in 2 starts - bring on the goal machine! :-D That's some impressive stat mangling there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Keener window-cleaner said: I think it was a mistake signing him and he was too expensive. But he has 8 goals in 19 starts, 0,42 goals a game, which isn't that bad. By the way, Gabby has 1 goal in 2 starts - bring on the goal machine! :-D That doesn't really paint a true reflection though does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted March 11, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted March 11, 2018 It’s not his fault we paid too much for him. I think he’ll probably go this summer regardless and I’m sure he’ll do well elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keener window-cleaner Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, DCJonah said: That doesn't really paint a true reflection though does it. Well that depends on what the reflection is. My point is that if he is played in a team that suits his style of play he will score goals, and that he is not a bad player. I don't think we should have bought him in the first place, if we had used the money on say Grabban a year ago perhaps we would have been at the top of the league now, or if we had kept Ayew and Gestede instead. But as I see it he gives 100 % and the criticism shouldn't primarily be directed at him. It's not his fault that we paid too much money for him, or that he at times has been played as an isolated lone striker with long balls hoofed to him, which clearly doesn't work for him. Edited March 11, 2018 by Keener window-cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Very good option from the bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 22 minutes ago, Xela said: Very good option from the bench Except he isn't. He looks even more ineffectual coming on as a sub than he does when he starts. Has he scored any when coming on as a sub? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 54 minutes ago, Keener window-cleaner said: Well that depends on what the reflection is. My point is that if he is played in a team that suits his style of play he will score goals, and that he is not a bad player. I don't think we should have bought him in the first place, if we had used the money on say Grabban a year ago perhaps we would have been at the top of the league now, or if we had kept Ayew and Gestede instead. But as I see it he gives 100 % and the criticism shouldn't primarily be directed at him. It's not his fault that we paid too much money for him, or that he at times has been played as an isolated lone striker with long balls hoofed to him, which clearly doesn't work for him. Its all that ever gets said. Not his fault he doesn't get service, not his fault he doesn't suit Bruce. Excuse after excuse. All rubbish really. It is his fault that his first touch is poor. It is his fault he can't get into games. It is his fault that he can barely pass the ball to his teammates. It is his fault that his finishing is average. He gets the angel and kozak treatment. A continued myth about his goal scoring abilities and then every excuse you can imagine to defend him when he isn't scoring. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 11, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted March 11, 2018 If we could provide him with a 6 yard tap in into an empty net every week then he'd be scoring every game! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Its all that ever gets said. Not his fault he doesn't get service, not his fault he doesn't suit Bruce. Excuse after excuse. All rubbish really. It is his fault that his first touch is poor. It is his fault he can't get into games. It is his fault that he can barely pass the ball to his teammates. It is his fault that his finishing is average. He gets the angel and kozak treatment. A continued myth about his goal scoring abilities and then every excuse you can imagine to defend him when he isn't scoring. Sadly......you are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 6 hours ago, DCJonah said: Why? A win doesn't change all opinions on all players. Grabbans performance and how he has started shows how we've suffered having to rely on Hogan so much over the last year or so. I think it does just that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 6 hours ago, Stevo985 said: If we could provide him with a 6 yard tap in into an empty net every week then he'd be scoring every game! See this is what I have an issue with. He has scored one tap in. Do you know how hard his goal against Bristol City was to score? Or his goal against Forest? Or his first against Bolton? Or his volley against Wigan? Don't change facts to suit your argument. It's boring. Hogan is inconsistent. He's not a bad player. He's a good player who is not consistent. No way is he worth what we paid for him and no way we should have signed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 I don’t think he’s a good player. He’s a lower league player who occasionally scores a goal. He has nothing else to his game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 11, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted March 11, 2018 24 minutes ago, omariqy said: See this is what I have an issue with. He has scored one tap in. Do you know how hard his goal against Bristol City was to score? Or his goal against Forest? Or his first against Bolton? Or his volley against Wigan? Don't change facts to suit your argument. It's boring. Hogan is inconsistent. He's not a bad player. He's a good player who is not consistent. No way is he worth what we paid for him and no way we should have signed him. It was tongue in cheek mate. In response to the “he just needs service” comments. Anyone can be a good goal scorer with he right service. I dont need need to change facts. The facts are he’s scored 6 league goals in 14 months. The fact is Grabban has almost caught him up already despite being here for about a month. He’s not very good. Doesn’t matter how many excuses people make for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 32 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: It was tongue in cheek mate. In response to the “he just needs service” comments. Anyone can be a good goal scorer with he right service. I dont need need to change facts. The facts are he’s scored 6 league goals in 14 months. The fact is Grabban has almost caught him up already despite being here for about a month. He’s not very good. Doesn’t matter how many excuses people make for him. I agree Grabban is better. In fact I am shocked at how much better. Did not expect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Please **** do something. Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted April 3, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted April 3, 2018 On 3/11/2018 at 22:41, omariqy said: I agree Grabban is better. In fact I am shocked at how much better. Did not expect that. It was time to bench Grabban today though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 1 minute ago, AVTuco said: It was time to bench Grabban today though. It probably was. With Davis full of confidence scoring for u20 team and RHM scoring for fun at u23 i'd have liked to have seen them maybe get a shot. Hogan may get a goal but for me he has shown he isn't good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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