Dr_Pangloss Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 Been very impressed with Marcos Alonso, didn't think he was that great at Bolton, seemed shite on loan at Sunderland, but been fantastic this season, great left foot and a terrific athlete. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Been very impressed with Marcos Alonso, didn't think he was that great at Bolton, seemed shite on loan at Sunderland, but been fantastic this season, great left foot and a terrific athlete. Yeah he has been excellent this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 watching the gazza documentary on netflix, i think in todays words of money and superstardom that bloke would be proper **** not sure who you compare him to and judge him by, he's got 5 years on rivaldo, figo, zidane, the laudrup brothers were slightly different players, compare him to hagi and brolin etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 obvious shout out for him to join utd is obvious, in terms of manager, late 80s to early to mid 90s would you say fergie was considered better than venables? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 as im sat watching this, name your "world class" english players over the last 20-30 years id say lineker, gazza, scholes, terry dabbled, cole, rooney flirted with it at 2004 thats probably it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 David Beckham, some rubbish spoke about him over the years about what he couldn't do but if you watch a youtube video of Cole, Yorke, RVN etc etc best goals you will see just how many were put on a plate by Beckham. From dead balls, and in free play, nobody could place a ball in the box with some accuracy, pace and purpose like Beckham could...and that for me made him world class. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 7 hours ago, villa4europe said: watching the gazza documentary on netflix, i think in todays words of money and superstardom that bloke would be proper **** not sure who you compare him to and judge him by, he's got 5 years on rivaldo, figo, zidane, the laudrup brothers were slightly different players, compare him to hagi and brolin etc Hagi was a lot better IMO but get your point. You could potentially add players like (aside from Hagi), Enzo Schifo, Andy Moller, Prosinecki to that list? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 7 hours ago, villa4europe said: obvious shout out for him to join utd is obvious, in terms of manager, late 80s to early to mid 90s would you say fergie was considered better than venables? Venables is another Arry manager. His reputation is sparkling but the facts dont back it up. He has 1 FA Cup and a La Liga. thats it really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 7 hours ago, villa4europe said: as im sat watching this, name your "world class" english players over the last 20-30 years id say lineker, gazza, scholes, terry dabbled, cole, rooney flirted with it at 2004 thats probably it English players or performances for England? If the former, there's definitely more - Lampard, Gerrard, Shearer, Beckham, G. Nev etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Shearer to me is a strange one because he was very much an English player, you can't deny his record but he couldn't play in Spain or Italy etc my personal "world class" definition as well is top 5 in the world for their position / role, shearer you'd be talking Ronaldo, shevchenko, batistuta, Raul etc same with the others you mention, I think they flirted with it but never sustained it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dr_Pangloss Posted May 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2017 (edited) 54 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Shearer to me is a strange one because he was very much an English player, you can't deny his record but he couldn't play in Spain or Italy etc my personal "world class" definition as well is top 5 in the world for their position / role, shearer you'd be talking Ronaldo, shevchenko, batistuta, Raul etc same with the others you mention, I think they flirted with it but never sustained it I think between 93-96 it's hard to argue that Shearer wasn't among the very best forwards in the world. He had three consecutive seasons where he scored over 30 league goals, culminating with him being the top scorer at Euro 96. He was one of the most ferocious and complete forwards I've seen during those periods. Despite rightly being a Newcastle legend he really wasn't the same player for them, perhaps down to bad injuries in 97/98, which potentially slowed him down. He was one hell of a player in those Blackburn years. Between 93-96 you'd definitely have players like Ronaldo, Romario, Batistuta, Baggio, Stoichkov up there but Shearer was on that list IMO. Edited May 21, 2017 by Dr_Pangloss 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, villa4europe said: Shearer to me is a strange one because he was very much an English player, you can't deny his record but he couldn't play in Spain or Italy etc my personal "world class" definition as well is top 5 in the world for their position / role, shearer you'd be talking Ronaldo, shevchenko, batistuta, Raul etc same with the others you mention, I think they flirted with it but never sustained it Shearer would've scored a lot of goals in any major leagues in the 90s I reckon. People just think he scored Darren Bent tap ins and headers all the time but his all round game was underrated I think, a good crosser for a start when he drifted wide (Angel was like this aswell). Pretty sure Bobby Robson nearly took him to Barca when he took charge. His record in international competitions for england suggest he'd have been fine in Italy or Spain. Edited May 21, 2017 by VillaChris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, VillaChris said: Shearer would've scored a lot of goals in any major leagues in the 90s I reckon. People just think he scored Darren Bent tap ins and headers all the time but his all round game was underrated I think, a good crosser for a start when he drifted wide (Angel was like this aswell). Pretty sure Bobby Robson nearly took him to Barca when he took charge. His record in international competitions for england suggest he'd have been fine in Italy or Spain. I think he'd have made a mockery of the Spanish league, it really wasn't that good, by the mid 90s the dream team was finished, Real Madrid weren't very good until around 98 either. Fairly sure Atletico managed to pick up a title as well. Serie A would have been the big test, almost certainly the best league in the world throughout the 90s and extremely hard to score goals in, given how good it was defensively. Still think the Shearer at Blackburn would have been among the top scorers mind. Also you're 100% spot on in terms of his style, he'd work the channels well and scored a lot of goals from outside the box and from odd angles inside the box. Could play off the last man as well as poach a goal. Also exceptional in the air and wasn't exactly the tallest. Complete player. Edited May 21, 2017 by Dr_Pangloss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 I think the only thing that would have stopped Shearer going far is the referees. His elbows were a big part of his game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, Zatman said: I think the only thing that would have stopped Shearer going far is the referees. His elbows were a big part of his game Where? In Serie A elbows are a big part of the game. Perhaps would have been an issue in La Liga as football in Spain has always been played by utter ponces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Biggest surprise this year for me is Josh King. Apparently Tottenham want to buy him to use him next to Kane. What do you reckon they'll fork out? 20m? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 19 minutes ago, magnkarl said: Biggest surprise this year for me is Josh King. Apparently Tottenham want to buy him to use him next to Kane. What do you reckon they'll fork out? 20m? I was going to post about him a while back. I remember watching him a few years back, he was a willing runner but couldn't trap a bag of cement or finish to save his life.Remarkable turnaround. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Harry Kane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 (edited) Yes is there a better finisher in Europe. Maybe lewandowski and Ronaldo Edited May 21, 2017 by PaulC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Had to be considered world class now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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