VillaJ100 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 8 minutes ago, Jareth said: After the Euros Southgate will of course stand aside, it can't come soon enough. Give him credit, he has overseen a period of transition and he's had some good success but he's hung on too long. This group of players is better than the man in charge. Is have had a lot more respect for him if left after the world cup. World cup semi, then euro final, then another world cup which was the tester to see 'was it a fluke or not' - it largely was, with the players doing well in spite of his shite tactics and selections. So he had his answer then and should have stepped down. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 10 minutes ago, Jareth said: After the Euros Southgate will of course stand aside, it can't come soon enough. Give him credit, he has overseen a period of transition and he's had some good success but he's hung on too long. This group of players is better than the man in charge. It was eight years ago as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 When Bellingham, Foden turned it on tonight, that's not some something coached on the training pitch by Safegate. That's players, doing what they do best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPJCB Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 I feel like this international break will have marked a turning point in terms of both the media and the more “neutral” England fan’s views of him. Hes made questionable selection decisions before- neglecting players for so long and holding onto favourites. But he could always argue that these players hadn’t let him down. In a way continuing to pick some of these players who’d played out of form helped protect them from the media storm more than dropping them would have. But this time was different. Picking Maguire and Henderson despite their respective situations heightened the media attention and created even more of a storm than if they’d have simply been dropped. You then get pundits like Jill Scott eloquently putting Henderson in his place and Maguire being jeered by the entirety of the hampden crowd. Its just astonishingly bad judgment from Southgate and helped fan flames rather than calm things down which he was normally pretty good at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Slight dig from Bellingham in his interview to Southgate I thought, made it a joke, but in reality, play me in the right possition and you will see me at my best, you wally! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 There’s a gulf between a cluster of decent sides and the other 90% of countries. I still expect England to be beaten by any of these proper footballing nations. Nothing has changed, apart from we play more shit teams than ever. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 6 minutes ago, Genie said: There’s a gulf between a cluster of decent sides and the other 90% of countries. I still expect England to be beaten by any of these proper footballing nations. Nothing has changed, apart from we play more shit teams than ever. We won't get it easier than that Italian final. Southgate lost us that, no doubt at all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Just now, foreveryoung said: We won't get it easier than that Italian final. Southgate lost us that, no doubt at all. We had a 1-0 head start too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Southgate talking like it was a masterclass. Passed the ball back 70% of the game, could have been 6-7 if he'd let us off the leash. Noticed Souness gagging to slag Southgate, just about held back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 19 minutes ago, JPJCB said: I feel like this international break will have marked a turning point in terms of both the media and the more “neutral” England fan’s views of him. Hes made questionable selection decisions before- neglecting players for so long and holding onto favourites. But he could always argue that these players hadn’t let him down. In a way continuing to pick some of these players who’d played out of form helped protect them from the media storm more than dropping them would have. But this time was different. Picking Maguire and Henderson despite their respective situations heightened the media attention and created even more of a storm than if they’d have simply been dropped. You then get pundits like Jill Scott eloquently putting Henderson in his place and Maguire being jeered by the entirety of the hampden crowd. Its just astonishingly bad judgment from Southgate and helped fan flames rather than calm things down which he was normally pretty good at I think the Henderson situation is probably done more damage than the Maguire one. Southgate popularity was with the casual fans who watch England in tournaments and havent a clue about club football so Maguire just like Phillips/Mings situations arent that important Henderson on the other hand I dont think Southgate was expecting a backlash and in his stupid stubborness he thought people were having a pop just because of the quality of the Saudi league 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Imagine if Emery was in charge instead of this shithouse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted September 12, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, Kingman said: Imagine if Emery was in charge instead of this shithouse! I actually think they'd be more interesting to watch if Gerrard was in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Southgate has come out and defended Maguire saying that he has been a stalwart in one of the best England teams for decades. I have no idea who he is trying to convince with bullshit like this. I’m not in favour of Maguire getting constantly boo’d and jeered, but he shouldn’t even be on the pitch given how out of form he has been for at least 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 Maguire is a joke, Southgate just sees a lot of himself in him so feels the need to go over the top in his defence of him. If Pizza Hut were looking for the 2023 brown paper bag incumbent, it would be Harry Maguire. They’d just need a bigger bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisvilla4 Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 4 hours ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: Maguire is a joke, Southgate just sees a lot of himself in him so feels the need to go over the top in his defence of him. If Pizza Hut were looking for the 2023 brown paper bag incumbent, it would be Harry Maguire. They’d just need a bigger bag. They'd probably just use a box, better fit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StefanAVFC Posted September 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2023 He’s a complete word removed HE, and only him, caused the situation where Maguire is ridiculed. He didn’t need to bring him on last night. He should be protecting his player, especially if that player doesn’t play at all for his club (I wanted to say ‘out of form player’ but he can’t have form if he doesn’t play) 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Platt Posted September 13, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 13, 2023 12 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: He’s a complete word removed HE, and only him, caused the situation where Maguire is ridiculed. He didn’t need to bring him on last night. He should be protecting his player, especially if that player doesn’t play at all for his club (I wanted to say ‘out of form player’ but he can’t have form if he doesn’t play) It's that simple he needs to read the room the daft bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 Fits time I’ve seen him angry and with a bit of fire in his belly defending his boy Hazza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 54 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: Fits time I’ve seen him angry and with a bit of fire in his belly defending his boy Hazza. Let’s break it down Gareth, why are people having fun with him? Why are you having to defend him again? Why are people questioning you for playing him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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