Eastie Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 1 hour ago, villabromsgrove said: Could it be that Dr T and Wyness have already decided to sack Bruce but are waiting another two weeks until the transfer window closes for the sake of balancing the accounts? They may wish to avoid a new manager coming in and demanding money for a couple of his type of players before September 1st. Probably not .... I'm just grasping at straws! More chance of attracting a manager while he can still get a couple of deals done even if only loans . We have wasted millions on 2 managers who have themselves wasted millions on players - what a total mess ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted August 17, 2017 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2017 If he's three games form the sack then he's basically sacked. Should just do it now and get it over with. Bar an absolutely miraculous turnaround, nothing in the next 3 games will change things. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Stevo985 said: If he's three games form the sack then he's basically sacked. Should just do it now and get it over with. Bar an absolutely miraculous turnaround, nothing in the next 3 games will change things. I see a draw against Norwich at best , forget the Wigan game and defeat at Bristol city who have started well and will be fired up for us on tv - surely then even xia will see the wood from the trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted August 17, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Stevo985 said: Bar an absolutely miraculous turnaround, nothing in the next 3 games will change things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 7 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: If he's three games form the sack then he's basically sacked. Should just do it now and get it over with. Bar an absolutely miraculous turnaround, nothing in the next 3 games will change things. Not saying you're wrong. ...but in reality what is the rush to appoint Pardew, Moyes, Big Sam - The track record of managers coming in once the season has started and securing promotion is poor - none of those guys are 'must gets' - Nor do they have other suitors in Mid August. Now if Jovanic, Dyche suddenly came on the market the whole thing changes. For all the wrong reasons holding fire on Bruce might just be the smartest move here. I don't get the head long rush to appoint another ropey manager - sure its a change - but then six more games in are we back here .....? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberman Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 11 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: If he's three games form the sack then he's basically sacked. Should just do it now and get it over with. Bar an absolutely miraculous turnaround, nothing in the next 3 games will change things. Yep. But I suppose it gives them another week to approach the next fella, working on the assumption that Bruce > no-one / caretaker. Not sure many will agree with that, though on current evidence I wouldn't want Calderwood to step in even for a week. Our recent caretakers have been worse than the sacked manager they replace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 1 minute ago, rubberman said: Yep. But I suppose it gives them another week to approach the next fella, working on the assumption that Bruce > no-one / caretaker. Not sure many will agree with that, though on current evidence I wouldn't want Calderwood to step in even for a week. Our recent caretakers have been worse than the sacked manager they replace. Terry as caretaker a better option than calderwood . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sne Posted August 17, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2017 12 minutes ago, Eastie said: Terry as caretaker a better option than calderwood . Calderwood should go asap regardless of what the plan is with Bruce. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy54 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Ok if the players are good enough to get us out of this league, and the manager has done it 4 times before, then who is to blame? I would look at getting rid of the coaches - is it true that Bruce has never worked with Calderwood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 2 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: The International Break also coincide with these things, it makes sense to be honest. New manager gets a bit of bedding in time etc. Hopefully wouldn't need 10 months. Don't be silly JV - we cannot possibly judge a manager until he has had at least one transfer window and a pre-season with HIS players. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kentish Villan Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 1 hour ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Funny thing is, this has reminded me of how many of our new signings have played some beautiful, long forwarded passes on their debuts to get us excited. By the time they are 2 - 3 games in they can barely trap a ball. lol Lansbury's debut was exactly this; pin point passes to both sides of the pitch, now it seems like he's never played football before 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, delboy54 said: Ok if the players are good enough to get us out of this league, and the manager has done it 4 times before, then who is to blame? I would look at getting rid of the coaches - is it true that Bruce has never worked with Calderwood? it certainly looks like he doesn't at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Eastie said: Terry as caretaker a better option than calderwood . I would prefer the ACTUAL caretaker to either Bruce or Caldwrwood. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: If he's three games form the sack then he's basically sacked. Should just do it now and get it over with. Bar an absolutely miraculous turnaround, nothing in the next 3 games will change things. Agree. Weve not just started badly, we are replicating - as a minimum - most of our 2017 form. We could win the next 5 ( which, by the way, is the sort of thing we should expect to be able to do if we are serious about Autonatic promotion ) and I still wouldn't think he was right for us now. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, terrytini said: I would prefer the ACTUAL caretaker to either Bruce or Caldwrwood. This guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 34 minutes ago, delboy54 said: Ok if the players are good enough to get us out of this league, and the manager has done it 4 times before, then who is to blame? I would look at getting rid of the coaches - is it true that Bruce has never worked with Calderwood? Yep - yet we paid money to approach calderwood, who Bruce had never worked with before. The results and performances nose dived from this point. To me it doesn't look like Calderwood was a Bruce appointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Yup, he'll do. It shows how crap it is that I genuinely would prefer him !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 1 minute ago, hippo said: Yep - yet we paid money to approach calderwood, who Bruce had never worked with before. The results and performances nose dived from this point. To me it doesn't look like Calderwood was a Bruce appointment. Performances have been no good, for the main, since Bruce took over. People talk about the Brighton game but it was a one off - and I watched it - most of it - again in the summer and it really wasn't great..firstly it was only the last half hour really, and even then only like the first half v Hull, or the last 5 minutes the other night, or the first 15 minutes at Cardiff, in other words decent but nothing remarkable. Against Reading away for example we won, but the performance - although better than this time around - was bang average at best. I don't think Calderwood has improved us at all, but I don't think we are worse either. We had some wins before he arrived, but we had another run of wins in the Spring too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 17, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 17, 2017 1 hour ago, hippo said: Not saying you're wrong. ...but in reality what is the rush to appoint Pardew, Moyes, Big Sam - The track record of managers coming in once the season has started and securing promotion is poor - none of those guys are 'must gets' - Nor do they have other suitors in Mid August. Now if Jovanic, Dyche suddenly came on the market the whole thing changes. For all the wrong reasons holding fire on Bruce might just be the smartest move here. I don't get the head long rush to appoint another ropey manager - sure its a change - but then six more games in are we back here .....? Yeah I get what you're saying. And I agree. I'd hope any delay in sacking is to line up a proper replacement. But that being said, I am so deflated after the last two games that I feel like if we keep Bruce we're headed for 3 more losses in those games. So we may as well stick a caretaker in charge and see if he can change something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 1 hour ago, hippo said: Not saying you're wrong. ...but in reality what is the rush to appoint Pardew, Moyes, Big Sam - The track record of managers coming in once the season has started and securing promotion is poor - none of those guys are 'must gets' - Nor do they have other suitors in Mid August. Now if Jovanic, Dyche suddenly came on the market the whole thing changes. For all the wrong reasons holding fire on Bruce might just be the smartest move here. I don't get the head long rush to appoint another ropey manager - sure its a change - but then six more games in are we back here .....? when does the window to get a late transfer or loan to help the new guy end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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