pacbuddies Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 56 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Like Newcastle? Or the National Team? OR ASTON **** VILLA ? Newcastle are a fizzy pop team and so are we. When was the last time they won anything? Don't even mention a national team that has won the grand sum of **** all in over half a century and appointed Allardyce. Anyone else? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, JE- said: Ay how you work that out.. If this season was never going to happen according to some then surely next season would be more like 2/1 Eh? If our odds for promotion were 9/2 last season, then our odds for promotion would be further out. Not more likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JE- Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said: Eh? If our odds for promotion were 9/2 last season, then our odds for promotion would be further out. Not more likely. Why? We have the promo specialist with the most expensive squad in the league Let's just wait and see what the odds will be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Just now, JE- said: Why? A team just relegated from the Premier League will have shorter odds for promotion in their 1st season in the Championship than their 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 14 minutes ago, pacbuddies said: Newcastle are a fizzy pop team and so are we. When was the last time they won anything? Don't even mention a national team that has won the grand sum of **** all in over half a century and appointed Allardyce. Anyone else? Newcastle weren't at the time they wanted him. England also appointed Capello and Sven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 31 minutes ago, JE- said: We were like 9/2 this season lol So what stake? £100. When we get the odds we arrange it via betfair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 We need a match so I can stop reading.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Having witnessed what in a sense could be described as the 'game of all times' yesterday, it's clear to me this should be the aim of all football clubs. Obviously, I'm not talking about emulating Barca or their footballing philosophy. What I'm advocating is emulating the same desire, will and determination to be(come) successful. I look at our recent years, our lackluster campaign this season, and keep thinking where on earth do these great teams get this motivation, drive and fighting spirit from, when our group of players mostly lack these fundamental characteristics, and at times simply look disinterested and spineless. It clearly isn't just about money or ability either, and the difference between a world class player and a championship standard player. Sure ability breeds confidence, which inherently is another trait we of course severely lack. I keep thinking about the significance a manager at a football club has, and whichever way I twist and turn, it never amounts to a small part, of what ultimately will constitute success. Then again, perhaps I am slightly exaggerating the role; Chelsea did after all arguably win the CL without a manager, because they already had all the other key components in place. Lacking this sort of foundation and footballing culture, that the top teams in the world have, is undoubtedly our biggest concern, and the more I think about it, I keep coming back to one key element, that of stability. Honestly, I really dislike the word, as it’s used all too easily as an excuse for other failings. I’m now resigned to the fact that Bruce will be with us for the foreseeable future. Whilst I do not rate him as a football manager, and would most definitely take Wagner, or whatever other up and coming, modern manager with the infamous ‘continental approach’ instead, I have to acknowledge the notion that stability, at this point in time, simply is the single most important factor. FWIW I cannot fathom it’s taken me this long to come to this conclusion, when it’s so bloody apparent. I suppose I just don't ever again want to suffer these past few years, or to have to wait 10+ years for things to turn around. I won’t however stop being critical of Bruce, if and when I feel it’s justified, then again I’ll surely give him credit, when credit is due. Here’s hoping that I only have to contemplate the latter, starting with Saturday. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 9, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted March 9, 2017 56 minutes ago, pacbuddies said: Newcastle are a fizzy pop team and so are we. When was the last time they won anything? Don't even mention a national team that has won the grand sum of **** all in over half a century and appointed Allardyce. Anyone else? Newcastle were a top 6 side when they wanted him. What manager are you suggesting we could get who would be wanted by a side higher than that? I don't even know why I'm discussing this. The original point I was debating was that Bruce has NEVER been wanted by another club. Ever. I've already proved that that is utter tosh. JE just moved the goalposts to save face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Enough is enough. Just hit "Ignore", and you will find peace. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjvilla Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 2 hours ago, JE- said: Stevo Where are all his clubs he's managed now? What foundation's did he build there for long term success? Zero Enough said on that..i applaud the convincing long-winded post above to justify his position but sorry he has never improved a club in the longer term for the best ever How many managers can you honestly say leave a long term legacy nowadays? Wagner? Unproven! Dean smith? I think Walsall are worse off now than when he finished there! Rowett? Look at blues now!! Managers are about there here and now.... because this is a results business. Which you are proving with your own argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kurtsimonw Posted March 9, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, Mjvilla said: How many managers can you honestly say leave a long term legacy nowadays? Wagner? Unproven! Dean smith? I think Walsall are worse off now than when he finished there! Rowett? Look at blues now!! Managers are about there here and now.... because this is a results business. Which you are proving with your own argument. Surely if Bruce is doing a bad job then, it's the fault of the previous managers? You know, because they didn't build the correct foundations or leave the right legacy for Bruce to take on. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JE- Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said: Surely if Bruce is doing a bad job then, it's the fault of the previous managers? You know, because they didn't build the correct foundations or leave the right legacy for Bruce to take on. Yes that's correct... Dean Smith is benefiting from the work Warburton did there at Brentford IF Bruce is doing a bad job??? IF 15th in the league is pathetic so therefore factually Bruce is doing a TERRIBLE job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 59 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: We need a match so I can stop reading.... I doubt you could take on the Royals all by yourself! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Just now, JE- said: Yes that's correct... Dean Smith is benefiting from the work Warburton did there at Brentford IF Bruce is doing a bad job??? IF 15th in the league is pathetic so therefore factually Bruce is doing a TERRIBLE job Nah, like you said yourself, it's just bad foundations by previous managers. We'll see in the future, by your logic, how Bruce is doing. If we sack him and go up, clearly he did a great job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 1 hour ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: We need a match so I can stop reading.... Try Tinder! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JE- Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said: Nah, like you said yourself, it's just bad foundations by previous managers. We'll see in the future, by your logic, how Bruce is doing. If we sack him and go up, clearly he did a great job. You see there is where you and I differ massively It's considered a great job getting promoted? Sorry but it is expected and on par with his remit to get promoted.. Abit like it was expected for him to achieve top 6 this season.. When you spend man city money the demands for success are higher by default... After all you pay more money for players because they are meant to be a cut above the rest of the of the oppositions players in the league why the hell else would you do it? Wagner is doing a great job and Hughton and with 30m net profit so is rafa who has zero knowledge of the championship prior to this season. Bruce getting promoted with a club breaking all the records of spend at this level is not a 'great' job 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Right here's my summary on the situation. Bruce is not an inspiring choice of manager, we can all admit that. But he has a track record of getting teams promoted there is no denying that but achieving that in 2 thirds of a season with massive transition in 2 windows was always going to be a tall order. So we now see how we end the season. If it's poorly and we just escape relegation then the owners have a big choice to make. If we see improvement game on game and most importantly results improve (which they have) then he will be manager next season so let's just support him hey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, JE- said: You see there is where you and I differ massively It's considered a great job getting promoted? Sorry but it is expected and on par with his remit to get promoted.. Abit like it was expected for him to achieve top 6 this season.. When you spend man city money the demands for success are higher by default... After all you pay more money for players because they are meant to be a cut above the rest of the of the oppositions players in the league why the hell else would you do it? Wagner is doing a great job and Hughton and with 30m net profit so is rafa who has zero knowledge of the championship prior to this season. Bruce getting promoted with a club breaking all the records of spend at this level is not a 'great' job Bruce got promoted with Hull on a £20m profit last season, apparently he's crap at this level though. Bruce also hasn't spent £40m, RDM spent most of it, won 1 game and yet you'd be happy to have him in charge. Oh dear. Can't be arsed with this nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, JE- said: You see there is where you and I differ massively It's considered a great job getting promoted? Sorry but it is expected and on par with his remit to get promoted.. Abit like it was expected for him to achieve top 6 this season.. When you spend man city money the demands for success are higher by default... After all you pay more money for players because they are meant to be a cut above the rest of the of the oppositions players in the league why the hell else would you do it? Wagner is doing a great job and Hughton and with 30m net profit so is rafa who has zero knowledge of the championship prior to this season. Bruce getting promoted with a club breaking all the records of spend at this level is not a 'great' job We don't need a 'great' job, we just need a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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