Eastie Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 1 minute ago, striker said: Would like to see Phelan at the Villa. Good pass and move coach but Bruce would have to drop the negative tactics first which hopefully he's now going to do. Seems he is ditching the 532 already - needs to find the magic formula and fast - 433 with green wide would be worth a try - not sure grealish deserves a recall tomorrow - let him stew on the bench . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 13, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 13, 2017 On the one hand I feel like ditching the 3-5-2 already is stupid when it hasn't been given a chance. If he has a plan then stick to it! On the other, I still feel our team is best suited to a 4-3-3, and still think that the majority of our good results this season have come using that formation. So I'd be happy to see us go back to that. Something like -----------Johnstone Bree-Chester-Baker-Amavi -------------Jedinak ------Lansbury-Hourihane Adomah-----------------Kodjia ----------------Hogan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 He can't seriously be ditching the 3-5-2 thing already? Surely he brought in the players he did with a system in mind and had a plan longer than the next 2 games? Is he just guessing and making up things as he goes? I refuse to believe he is that flaky. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, sne said: He can't seriously be ditching the 3-5-2 thing already? Surely he brought in the players he did with a system in mind and had a plan longer than the next 2 games? Is he just guessing and making up things as he goes? I refuse to believe he is that flaky. Yep - mail reported it earlier - I pasted it this morning. maybe without jedinak it's not effective enough Edited February 13, 2017 by Eastie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Ditching the formation after supposedly recruiting the players to make it work.....so much for the stability that was supposed to solve our problems..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 2 hours ago, ViewFromT2 said: All hope of play offs have left me now, I am slowly coming to terms with being in this crappy division for at least another season. I wanted Bruce out after Saturday, I think that was the due to this realization as I despondently left the ground....again! No point chopping manager again, give him the remaining 17 games to start moulding his team to be ready to rock in August! But I do have some questions regarding some of Bruce's decisions, which temper me with doubt going forward : After addressing the full back areas in January, by buying both a new LB and RB...he then switched formation immediately to a 3 at the back system? This is ludicrous. He bought out and out full backs, and has now decided to play them out of position in what is a specialist Wing Back role. Why? We already arguably has two players that would be suited to wing back (Amavi and Bacuna), really don't understand why anyone would bring in two full backs and play them out of position immediately. Wing Back and Full Back are NOT the same thing. His persistence with a poor goalkeeper Bringing in a rookie is one thing, and in fairness all of the worlds great goalkeepers were at some stage young, unknowns with potential. But after 4/5 games I just can't understand why he continues to pick him. Our defence has looked a total shambles since he came in. My lad wondered if the deal to bring him here from Man Utd included a clause that he has to play? Unbalancing the already unbalanced midfield Before the January transfer window it was universally accepted that our midfield lacked legs and creativity. Bruce bought in 3 attack minded midfielders, all of which are good quality players there is no doubt. However, in letting go 2 more defensively minded midfielders, we were left with only Jedinak to play in that vital deeper role, and when he duly got injured we now have 3 attack minded players occupying our midfield.....it's like we sat on a see-saw and went from one extreme to the other, almost over night! Perhaps introducing that midfield in front of the established back four may have been a better idea? What Bruce has done is not only change the starting XI, almost entirely, but he has done that at the same time as trying to implement a completely new system. A system that requires specialist players positionally, and without the one key element to make it all work....a deep lying midfielder. Jury is out for me on Steve Bruce. With the likes of Mark Warburton now available, I think Bruce has to get us going very, very quickly to give us any hope at all for next season. If he doesn't....how long are we supposed to wait? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Shouldn't be ditching the 352 as we will be far worse with a midfield two of Lansbury and Hourihane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 31 minutes ago, sne said: He can't seriously be ditching the 3-5-2 thing already? Surely he brought in the players he did with a system in mind and had a plan longer than the next 2 games? Is he just guessing and making up things as he goes? I refuse to believe he is that flaky. FWIW none of the players he bought have ever really played in a 3-5-2, our centre backs haven't played in a 3-5-2 either. It was a shit plan from start to finish. 4-3-2-1 / 4-3-3 is the way to go as our players can actually play that 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, villarocker said: Shouldn't be ditching the 352 as we will be far worse with a midfield two of Lansbury and Hourihane. It wont be a midfield 2, it will be a midfield 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, KHV said: FWIW none of the players he bought have ever really played in a 3-5-2, our centre backs haven't played in a 3-5-2 either. It was a shit plan from start to finish. 4-3-2-1 / 4-3-3 is the way to go as our players can actually play that I think it would have been exciting to have seen the 3-5-2 if set up to attack and dominate. Sadly this was never going to happen under Bruce or with Hutton and Taylor as the wide options. All out attack with Adomah on the right and Amavi on the left and taking it to the opponents. Most teams in this league will IMO cope badly when put under pressure, but we choose to sit deep with everyone except the attackers which makes us too stretched and harmless even if we manage to win the ball. Not sure any formation will make any difference as the general approach is way too cautious and we attack with too few people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 5 hours ago, Eastie said: oh dear 5-5-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, sne said: I think it would have been exciting to have seen the 3-5-2 if set up to attack and dominate. Sadly this was never going to happen under Bruce or with Hutton and Taylor as the wide options. All out attack with Adomah on the right and Amavi on the left and taking it to the opponents. Most teams in this league will IMO cope badly when put under pressure, but we choose to sit deep with everyone except the attackers which makes us too stretched and harmless even if we manage to win the ball. Not sure any formation will make any difference as the general approach is way too cautious and we attack with too few people. yeah, the gap is ridiculous at times 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, KHV said: Bunn Hutton Chester Baker Amavi Hourihane Lansbury Bjarnason Adomah Kodjia Hogan What was the biblical saying. A wiseman builds his house on rock and not sand? We have two crap keepers in Bunn and Johnstone i can't see us improving till we get a decent GK in. Edited February 13, 2017 by AshVilla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 5 hours ago, Eastie said: I have a really good friend who's Scottish, I took the p** once writing a peom about Scotlands national team when Craig Levine (spelling) set up a 5-5-0 away against the Czechs. He went absolutely mental, he only forgave me after I stole his brothers last "Crunchie". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 3 hours ago, terrytini said: I actually think we will all be very surprised tomorrow night. I think the penny has finally dropped with him and tomorrow you will see 4-4-2 and us playing a very front foot, aggressive, attacking style. He has indeed played the awful way he has with us for most his career but I think he has the wits to realise - albeit to late in the day as we cant go up now and are in a relegation fight - that its not working. Mark my words, a different Vila tomorrow night !! Let's hope so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, AshVilla said: What was the biblical saying. A wiseman builds his house on rock and not sand? We have two crap keepers in Bunn and Johnstone i can't see us improving till we get a decent GK in. I think Bunn is less crap than Johnstone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Just now, KHV said: I think Bunn is less crap than Johnstone It's like choosing between a fresh turd and a crusty one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 19 minutes ago, AshVilla said: It's like choosing between a fresh turd and a crusty one. Somme crusty bunns can be tasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regista Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Would like to know the reasons around why people think 4-4-2 will work with Lansbury as one of the CM's? Keep seeing it suggested but I will 100% go out on a limb and say that will definitely never work. We can't get a grip of the game with 3 in the middle, and without Jedi the gap we leave infront of the back four is ridiculous. Lansbury does not have the awareness, discipline or ability off the ball to play in a two, or the mobility for that matter. On the ball he is class, and needs to be playing as one of 3, and not in the deeper role either! Think 4-3-3 is our best formation, I'd even try Gardner out holding because that Icelandic bloke has looked very poor so far. Will give him a chance of course, because bar set pieces even Hourihane has looked bang average. Fear we don't have the manager to sort this out though. I feel he just isn't the right fit for this squad we now have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) 22 hours ago, VillaCas said: Yes it was. McCormack wasn't known for being trouble when he arrived here, Bruce should have had to experience to get the best from him and Ayew too. Instead he's done the opposite. Amavi will be next You can't seem to provide me with evidence that McCormack was a 'fantastic trainer' before he came to the Villa nor that Steve Bruce is at fault for that situation. So no, that isn't what you said. You've moved the goalposts. See I happen to know, for an absolute fact, that Ross was drinking heavily before Bruce arrived. I could prove it in a court of law. I would never have mentioned it but to be honest, at this stage **** him. It's not right to mug the support off like he has and especially not his manager. He (Bruce) is doing a fine job of it himself without people making up bollocks. Everything Ross has done is on him and nobody else. Edited February 13, 2017 by dont_do_it_doug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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