Dave J Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 19 minutes ago, hippo said: He didn't look very tactically aware against us. He had da costa and afobe on the bench - and tried to play a local derby at walking pace. Did you not see the game at Molineux they absolutely dismantled us systamaticslly and the 2-0 defeat said an awful lot more to me than the 4-1 reverse at villa park in my view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 If I was Xia and Co I would be in the league's ear about the losses under Lerner and how that should be ignored for FFP purposes as it was under a previous regime. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Junxs Posted June 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2018 It's funny how the same people who claim we would have gone down under RDM (which is a load of nonsense by the way) are saying if only Bruce had got off to a better start this season.. The truth is we don't know what would have happened under RDM but he only lost 1 or 2 league games and played far better football than Bruce's leadership in the same season. Had Bruce been sacked after those 7 games this season would people then be claiming that he was taking us down? This isn't a Bruce v RDM debate as its been done to death, but its funny how people dream up such scenarios with such conviction, like relegation was really about to happen and start comparing us to Sunderland had Bruce not stepped in. Seen it mentioned a few times over the last couple of pages. What a load of tosh! 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Junxs said: It's funny how the same people who claim we would have gone down under RDM (which is a load of nonsense by the way) are saying if only Bruce had got off to a better start this season.. The truth is we don't know what would have happened under RDM but he only lost 1 or 2 league games and played far better football than Bruce's leadership in the same season. Had Bruce been sacked after those 7 games this season would people then be claiming that he was taking us down? This isn't a Bruce v RDM debate as its been done to death, but its funny how people dream up such scenarios with such conviction, like relegation was really about to happen and start comparing us to Sunderland had Bruce not stepped in. Seen it mentioned a few times over the last couple of pages. What a load of tosh! Agreed. Likewise I find it strange that ppl on here claim that RDMs signings where terrible, when in fact as a whole he bought quite well, just like Bruce. Both managers had two genuine expensive duds, and another few mild mistakes. Edited June 1, 2018 by vreitti 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 1, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 1, 2018 43 minutes ago, Dave J said: Did you not see the game at Molineux they absolutely dismantled us systamaticslly and the 2-0 defeat said an awful lot more to me than the 4-1 reverse at villa park in my view Why? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Could do with something happening now - its all been said and got a bit boring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Why? Because there was a chasm in class on the day at Molineux - we were totally spanked and made to look second best in every single aspect of football imo - sure at Villa park we did great and took our opportunities as they arose - but at no point did we do to wolves - what they did to us imo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 1, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dave J said: Because there was a chasm in class on the day at Molineux - we were totally spanked and made to look second best in every single aspect of football imo - sure at Villa park we did great and took our opportunities as they arose - but at no point did we do to wolves - what they did to us imo Fair enough. I totally disagree, and I imagine the vast majority of other Villa fans would too. But you're entitled to your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, Dave J said: Because there was a chasm in class on the day at Molineux - we were totally spanked and made to look second best in every single aspect of football imo - sure at Villa park we did great and took our opportunities as they arose - but at no point did we do to wolves - what they did to us imo And we just shaded it in the 4-1 at Villa Park. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Stevo985 said: Fair enough. I totally disagree, and I imagine the vast majority of other Villa fans would too. But you're entitled to your opinion. That's absolutely fine Stevo - I neither asked or expect you to agree with anything I say - which is completely ok with me & and you did note I added imo right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Dave J said: Because there was a chasm in class on the day at Molineux - we were totally spanked and made to look second best in every single aspect of football imo - sure at Villa park we did great and took our opportunities as they arose - but at no point did we do to wolves - what they did to us imo I thought we won at home as comfortably as they did at home - if anything over the 2 games we looked maybe more dominant in the 2nd half at villa park than wolves did at any stage . Edited June 1, 2018 by Eastie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 minute ago, hippo said: And we just shaded it in the 4-1 at Villa Park. That really is putting words in my mouth - I genuinely never said this at any point, I did also say we played great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 6 hours ago, Stevo985 said: He and Jedinak are comfortably superior to Thor, despite Thor's improvements and admirable performances in the second half of the season. ' "Thor's" poor performances seemed to get overlooked quite early on as well. A beard and a cool nickname would do Whelan's reputation a world of good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Eastie said: I thought we won at home as comfortably as they did at home - if anything over the 2 games we looked maybe more dominant in the 2nd half at villa park than wolves did at any stage . Well that's what makes this game so great isn't it - so many different opinions - where would VT be without them ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 I still don't think he is the man to take us forward. I don't think he will be sacked. I'll support the team and manager next season, they will need it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Dave J said: That really is putting words in my mouth - I genuinely never said this at any point, I did also say we played great This is what you said "but at no point did we do to wolves - what they did to us imo " I d actually say we did it twice as many times ( 4 v 2) - and Bruce in his defence didn't voluntarily elect to keep players of the quality of Da Costa and Afobe on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 9 minutes ago, hippo said: This is what you said "but at no point did we do to wolves - what they did to us imo " I d actually say we did it twice as many times ( 4 v 2) - and Bruce in his defence didn't voluntarily elect to keep players of the quality of Da Costa and Afobe on the bench. Yes that's correct I don't believe we did to wolves what they did to us - this is totally my point and highlights how good they were on the day - but neither did I say we just shaded it - just that their dizzy heights were higher than ours if you will - on the two days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jim Posted June 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2018 I honestly don't see any point in wasting any more time in getting rid of him. He won't get us in the mix for promotion next year and the probability of him changing his management style of the last 20 years and embracing chucking the kids in is slim to none. He will look for a short term fix of (cheap) experienced heads and it will no doubt fail. We would be much better off bringing someone in with a plan of developing what we have got and having a season of transition. We are going to get rid of Bruce at some point, so why wait and not do it now? Makes no sense to me to give him another chance. He tried and failed, it's time to move on. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Interesting to note than when he quit hull he did so in late July almost 2 months after their play off final - we cannot find ourselves in that position again with a manager getting pissed off over the summer break and then walking out just before the season starts as mon did . If Bruce has been given the reality of cost cutting measures and is mulling things over then we need a swift decision and cannot afford him walking out in July like he did to hull 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Eastie said: Interesting to note than when he quit hull he did so in late July almost 2 months after their play off final - we cannot find ourselves in that position again with a manager getting pissed off over the summer break and then walking out just before the season starts as mon did . If Bruce has been given the reality of cost cutting measures and is mulling things over then we need a swift decision and cannot afford him walking out in July like he did to hull Agreed - to be fair I think if he asks about budget for players - he will get the answer pretty pronto. My hunch is he has been told the figures and has been given until Monday (ish) to say if he wants to continue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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