sheepyvillian Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 minute ago, omariqy said: Oh yeah i can't argue with that but he still had decent players there and could've got more out of them I think. All hope was lost after that Jan window tho. He was let down by the attitude of certain individuals , Gabby ,for one ,and the centre - half , whose name doesn't deserve a mention . The whole squad was just contaminated ,the manager was on a hiding to nothing ,IMO . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 33/1 to be next NUFC manager... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerner's Driver Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 29 minutes ago, Jareth said: 33/1 to be next NUFC manager... Is that a real bet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Michael118 said: Sam Allardyce and Tony Pulis have made it to the end of 20 Premier League seasons combined with a total of 0 relegations. What do you expect ? Such is their love for parking the bus ,they've both got their own designated spaces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 32 minutes ago, Jareth said: 33/1 to be next NUFC manager... Can we have Benitez ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael118 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: What do you expect ? Such is their love for parking the bus ,they've both got their own designated spaces. Doesn't Bruce employ similar tactics though? For me, there's a big difference in quality which separates them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Michael118 said: Those stats are a bit misleading. You included his last season at Birmingham where he left after 13 games when they were in 15th and also his last season at Sunderland where he was sacked when they were in 16th. Out of the last 7 times he's made it to the end of a Premier League season he's been relegated twice. If you assume he would have been relegated at Sunderland that would make it 3 out of the last 7. Those aren't good survival odds for a 'bottom half Premier League manager'. Why am I assuming, for the sake of your argument, that he would have been relegated with Sunderland, when he was sacked with the team in 16th? I agree it's not a promising position, but it isn't in the relegation zone and it just seems to be doing your argument a favour for no good reason. Even if I grant it, though, he was a 'bottom 3 manager' (your claim), less than 50% of the time, including with some clubs whose resources would presumably be significantly smaller than our own were we to be promoted. 1 hour ago, Michael118 said: Sam Allardyce and Tony Pulis have made it to the end of 20 Premier League seasons combined with a total of 0 relegations. But nobody is arguing that Steve Bruce is a better relegation-avoider than the two most famous relegation-avoiders in the country. Merely that he's finished outside the bottom three far more often than he's finished inside it. Which is a weird statistic for a 'bottom three' manager (your claim). 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 47 minutes ago, Lerner's Driver said: Is that a real bet? Yarp Former Newcastle managers Steve McClaren (50/1), Joe Kinnear (50/1), Alan Shearer (50/1) and John Carver (60/1), make the list, as do former Sunderland bosses Steve Bruce (33/1), Roy Keane (50/1) and Paolo Di Canio (100/1). https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/odds-next-newcastle-manager-offer-14169313 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 41 minutes ago, Michael118 said: Doesn't Bruce employ similar tactics though? For me, there's a big difference in quality which separates them. I've absolutely no love for Bruce's football ,let's have that right . I,m totally against all forms of parking . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Lerner's Driver said: Is that a real bet? No , it's a pretend one . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 hours ago, sheepyvillian said: What backing did Garde have ? Nothing in comparison to Lambert ,and I mean ,literally nothing . His treatment was nothing short of shocking . I don't disagree....I guess he didn't do his due dilligence.....or was lied to> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 32 minutes ago, Jareth said: Yarp Former Newcastle managers Steve McClaren (50/1), Joe Kinnear (50/1), Alan Shearer (50/1) and John Carver (60/1), make the list, as do former Sunderland bosses Steve Bruce (33/1), Roy Keane (50/1) and Paolo Di Canio (100/1). https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/odds-next-newcastle-manager-offer-14169313 Some of the other names on the list are simply just Gazza @ 175/1, Joe Kinnear 50/1 & John Carver 60/1 Who compiled this list? Mickey Mouse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 31 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: I've absolutely no love for Bruce's football ,let's have that right . I,m totally against all forms of parking . and yet we are 1 goal for, behind Cardiff, Fulham, Bristol City & Sheff Utd & 2 behind Brentford who are held as the shining light of attacking football. just saying..... perhaps the bus we are parking is a " Mini-Bus" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 17, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted January 17, 2018 58 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Why am I assuming, for the sake of your argument, that he would have been relegated with Sunderland, when he was sacked with the team in 16th? I agree it's not a promising position, but it isn't in the relegation zone and it just seems to be doing your argument a favour for no good reason. Even if I grant it, though, he was a 'bottom 3 manager' (your claim), less than 50% of the time, including with some clubs whose resources would presumably be significantly smaller than our own were we to be promoted. But nobody is arguing that Steve Bruce is a better relegation-avoider than the two most famous relegation-avoiders in the country. Merely that he's finished outside the bottom three far more often than he's finished inside it. Which is a weird statistic for a 'bottom three' manager (your claim). Thank you for getting there first so I didn't have to type this out myself It seems very strange to rank Bruce as a bottom 3 manager based on those stats, and even weirder to rate him alongside Garde who surely has one of the worst records in our history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, TRO said: I don't disagree....I guess he didn't do his due dilligence.....or was lied to> Lied to ,I'd say betrayed and humiliated . I doubt he will ever fully recover his desire for the game . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, TRO said: and yet we are 1 goal for, behind Cardiff, Fulham, Bristol City & Sheff Utd & 2 behind Brentford who are held as the shining light of attacking football. just saying..... perhaps the bus we are parking is a " Mini-Bus" How many behind Wolves ? Just asking . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 minute ago, sheepyvillian said: Lied to ,I'd say betrayed and humiliated . I doubt he will ever fully recover his desire for the game . I would think most managers have been **** on in their careers at some point.....its hardly a pre requisite, to be fighting and motivating teams. He would do well to move on, ignore it and implement somewhere this talent some folk believe he has.....He needs to bounce back, otherwise his critics will be proved right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: How many behind Wolves ? Just asking . 11 2 x games on form......just kidding. Edited January 17, 2018 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Jareth said: 33/1 to be next NUFC manager... Hopefully those odds narrow rapidly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, AshVilla said: Hopefully those odds narrow rapidly get in quick....you might make some money. You'll get better odds Villa being in this league next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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