Popular Post Made In Aston Posted September 21, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2016 11 hours ago, hippo said: When your managers are Sherwood, Garde, and now Di Matteo - its not difficult to see where we are going wrong. I think CL win blinded Xia with RDM - if looked more closley he would see numerous sackings, and no previous record of building a team from the ground upwards. Indded what is RDM'S longest managest stint ...1 season 10 games with WBA ? He made wholesale changes at WBA in his first season with approximately 12 arriving and 20 departing. Think that would be classed as building a team from the ground up! 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 4 hours ago, Made In Aston said: He made wholesale changes at WBA in his first season with approximately 12 arriving and 20 departing. Think that would be classed as building a team from the ground up! Excuse is we need to gel... He made similar changes there... and had a better start there... so whats the excuse here then? Championship[edit] Date Opponent Venue Result Attendance Scorers 8 Aug Newcastle United H D 1 – 1 23,502 Martis 15 Aug Nottingham Forest A W 1 – 0 22,794 own goal 18 Aug Peterborough United A W 3 – 2 8,752 Moore (2), Brunt 22 Aug Ipswich Town H W 2 – 0 19,390 Mulumbu, Koren 29 Aug Sheffield United A D 2 – 2 25,169 Bednář (2) 12 Sep Plymouth Argyle H W 3 – 1 22,190 Martis, Čech (2) 15 Sep Doncaster Rovers H W 3 – 1 22,184 Olsson (2), Wood 19 Sep Middlesbrough A W 5 – 0 22,725 Brunt (2), Mulumbu, Bednář, Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPower_14 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 We were coming from a very, very low base in terms of player culture and confidence. As low as it gets. We're not playing as badly as we did last season. I'm prepared to give RDM time. The season at very least. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Thomas Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 (edited) RDM talking to media for 7-8mins. Worth a listen. https://audioboom.com/boos/5079625-villa-boss-roberto-di-matteo-on-the-game-v-newcastle-and-jack-grealish Edited September 22, 2016 by Gary Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcTheObsession Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 4 minutes ago, Gary Thomas said: RDM talking to media for 7-8mins. Worth a listen. https://audioboom.com/boos/5079625-villa-boss-roberto-di-matteo-on-the-game-v-newcastle-and-jack-grealish Can't listen at the moment, what's he say about Grealish? Any hint as to whether he's likely to start this weekend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villafied Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 So, a roll of the dice. Let's say Tony, after reading one too many tweets, gets an itchy finger on the red button. And gets rid of RDM in about 5 games time. Would that not put us smack bang back in similar position to last season, new team, no leader, no plan, etc. Now we haven't played teams off the park. But we haven't been embarrassed too often either...Bloody Luton, and we are still picking up points. We certainly weren't doing that last season. You might not like him, and maybe you can think of better managers that would have been realistic acquisitions at the time. But I think the only realistic option is to support the club and RDM to the hilt for the time being. If Sir Alex Fergie had had to put up with the likes of twitter/forums/absurd journalism would he have lasted out his first season? Let alone another 25 or however many? I think alot of people are looking for a magic wand no? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Any injury news? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Thomas Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Villafied said: So, a roll of the dice. Let's say Tony, after reading one too many tweets, gets an itchy finger on the red button. And gets rid of RDM in about 5 games time. Would that not put us smack bang back in similar position to last season, new team, no leader, no plan, etc. Now we haven't played teams off the park. But we haven't been embarrassed too often either...Bloody Luton, and we are still picking up points. We certainly weren't doing that last season. You might not like him, and maybe you can think of better managers that would have been realistic acquisitions at the time. But I think the only realistic option is to support the club and RDM to the hilt for the time being. If Sir Alex Fergie had had to put up with the likes of twitter/forums/absurd journalism would he have lasted out his first season? Let alone another 25 or however many? I think alot of people are looking for a magic wand no? I agree. We've only lost 2 out of 8. Win Sat and Tues and things would look pretty decent. Talk about RDM going is premature imo - we need to give him time. That said, he does need to start picking up some wins soon or the vultures will start circling - if they haven't already! Edited September 22, 2016 by Gary Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 (edited) 11 hours ago, Made In Aston said: He made wholesale changes at WBA in his first season with approximately 12 arriving and 20 departing. Think that would be classed as building a team from the ground up! Not sure where you are getting those stats from. I know there are some incorrect facts about his first season at WBA doing the rounds, as these have surfaced before. - It was nailed down to in his first season at WBA he brought in 4 and released 2 or something like that. Ask any albion fan, there was a policy decision made by Jeremy peace to keep the relegated squad together - as many WBA fans thought penny pinching peace would not pay premier wages in the championship. If you dig for names and appearances - I think you will find only 2 of RDM'S signings featured in the starting 11 on a regular basis. It was more or less the same squad that got relegated by a whisker that got promoted. Edited September 22, 2016 by hippo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Thomas Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 (edited) 7 hours ago, KSV said: Excuse is we need to gel... He made similar changes there... and had a better start there... so whats the excuse here then? Championship[edit] Date Opponent Venue Result Attendance Scorers 8 Aug Newcastle United H D 1 – 1 23,502 Martis 15 Aug Nottingham Forest A W 1 – 0 22,794 own goal 18 Aug Peterborough United A W 3 – 2 8,752 Moore (2), Brunt 22 Aug Ipswich Town H W 2 – 0 19,390 Mulumbu, Koren 29 Aug Sheffield United A D 2 – 2 25,169 Bednář (2) 12 Sep Plymouth Argyle H W 3 – 1 22,190 Martis, Čech (2) 15 Sep Doncaster Rovers H W 3 – 1 22,184 Olsson (2), Wood 19 Sep Middlesbrough A W 5 – 0 22,725 Brunt (2), Mulumbu, Bednář, Thomas 8 games, 6wins, 2 draws, 0 losses is an impressive start. Rather than see it as a negative, it actually gives me more confidence that RDM will get it right here eventually. He is a decent manager. We need to get off his back and allow him the time he needs to build and organise his team. We seem to forget, the transfer window shut 3 weeks ago! Many of our players have only played 1-3 games. Give RDM time and he will get us winning I am sure. Edited September 22, 2016 by Gary Thomas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 13 minutes ago, Gary Thomas said: 8 games, 6wins, 2 draws, 0 losses is an impressive start. Rather than see it as a negative, it actually gives me more confidence that RDM will get it right here eventually. He is a decent manager. We need to get off his back and allow him the time he needs to build and organise his team. We seem to forget, the transfer window shut 3 weeks ago! Many of our players have only played 1-3 games. Give RDM time and he will get us winning I am sure. Im not so sure. 1 win 8 is very poor - and even on the occasions we played well there are still flaws to our game. Poor defending, missing chances. I think there is more wrong then our players needing to gel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 4 minutes ago, hippo said: I think there is more wrong then our players needing to gel They need to sober up for a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 25 minutes ago, Gary Thomas said: 8 games, 6wins, 2 draws, 0 losses is an impressive start. Rather than see it as a negative, it actually gives me more confidence that RDM will get it right here eventually. He is a decent manager. We need to get off his back and allow him the time he needs to build and organise his team. We seem to forget, the transfer window shut 3 weeks ago! Many of our players have only played 1-3 games. Give RDM time and he will get us winning I am sure. I agree.. after the dust settles.. and the emotion is gone from the frustrating games we play this season... i know its the right thing to do to keep him on board. Until he loses the dressing room we are getting belted every week. At the moment we have lost less than Newcastle. Our attack may need a little time to click and we start putting teams away. The Ipswich game however.. annoyed me. I liked his approach to games before then.. and now it appears he has lost faith in his system and played a negative 5 at the back formation and we created nothing. Thats not the way to go about it. I hope against Newcastle he goes back to the way we approached the Nottingham game and actually has learnt how to close out games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Thomas Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 3 minutes ago, hippo said: Im not so sure. 1 win 8 is very poor - and even on the occasions we played well there are still flaws to our game. Poor defending, missing chances. I think there is more wrong then our players needing to gel I don't disagree 1 win 8 is very poor, but another way of looking at is we have only lost 2 in 8 and we have been unlucky in quite a few. Lets say we did manage to beat the barcodes and Barnsley - that would be 3W, 5D, 2L. Not exceptional but a decent platform to build on with added momentum and confidence. Things can change very quickly IF he can start winning more games. I have said elsewhere, beating Newcastle could really kick-start our (his) season. I am sure RDM knows this and fingers crossed he pulls it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Regardless of your vies on him I think RDM's experience with West Brom was far more crucial to getting him the job than his CL win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjvilla Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 39 minutes ago, Woodytom said: They need to sober up for a start. Agreed. I mean, if I have a drink on a Saturday night then I'm usually still pissed the following Saturday. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 29 minutes ago, Gary Thomas said: I don't disagree 1 win 8 is very poor, but another way of looking at is we have only lost 2 in 8 and we have been unlucky in quite a few. Lets say we did manage to beat the barcodes and Barnsley - that would be 3W, 5D, 2L. Not exceptional but a decent platform to build on with added momentum and confidence. Things can change very quickly IF he can start winning more games. I have said elsewhere, beating Newcastle could really kick-start our (his) season. I am sure RDM knows this and fingers crossed he pulls it off. Beat the Barcodes and Barnsley and all will be well with the world. Its my fear of that not happening that bothers me. Weve won 1 in 8 - and yet were hoping to win 2 in 2 against high ranking sides ? - Sorry I don't see it. Also you are sort of asking for credit on 2 games we haven't yet played - let alone won. As you say things can change quickly if we start winning games. However it is RDM'S inability to do that which leads to this discussion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 1 minute ago, hippo said: Beat the Barcodes and Barnsley and all will be well with the world. Not so long ago that was "beat Forest and Branford (C.Demitri) and all will be well" then it was "beat Ipswich" etc etc, you see where im going with this 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dounavilla Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 33 minutes ago, Gary Thomas said: I don't disagree 1 win 8 is very poor, but another way of looking at is we have only lost 2 in 8 and we have been unlucky in quite a few. Lets say we did manage to beat the barcodes and Barnsley - that would be 3W, 5D, 2L. Not exceptional but a decent platform to build on with added momentum and confidence. Things can change very quickly IF he can start winning more games. I have said elsewhere, beating Newcastle could really kick-start our (his) season. I am sure RDM knows this and fingers crossed he pulls it off. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Just now, Richard said: Not so long ago that was "beat Forest and Branford (C.Demitri) and all will be well" then it was "beat Ipswich" etc etc, you see where im going with this Basically that we need to win games, yeah? I think everyone agrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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