Vive_La_Villa Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 17 minutes ago, AshVilla said: Loaning money to pay off debts It's like trying to put a fire out with petrol Isn’t it more refinancing existing debt? After a mass exodus of players on big wages the finances will slowly get back in to shape. It will just mean a few years in this league or worse in the meantime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 11 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: I'm guessing, just like the others who have made up their minds. You have literally purposely skipped everything @Deisler123 has said right? Dear god. Having just read Deislers posts, what I have posted agrees with what he has said. Some people see what they want to see. Dear God. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, Deisler123 said: Jim is not wrong in a literal sense. Xia is reportedly struggling in his business (but not the end of world type of struggle) and I don't think he has a lot of cash or cashable assets in hands. And it seems he will take loans to solve Villa's problem. But I guess the point is - this is 21st century, taking a loan is not a big issue, as long as you have assets/capital to support you. A loan of up to 400m CNY over two years is not that much compared to what he actually controls. I have never seen a successful cooperation which never taken a loan..... The question is: will he invest part of that money to Villa (this might be revealed by the information from gov.uk in a few days so let's see) and how confident he is in support Villa now (support now and look for a good sell v.s. support till promotion). This is my point, but some of our fans seem to really enjoy the doom and distress stories more than possible solutions. I think he is trying his best to sort out the issue and his intentions are in the right place. I'm sure it is not unheard of for clubs to manipulate financial facilities and come out of it successfully. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: This is my point, but some of our fans seem to really enjoy the doom and distress stories more than possible solutions. I think he is trying his best to sort out the issue and his intentions are in the right place. I'm sure it is not unheard of for clubs to manipulate financial facilities and come out of it successfully. The trust is gone mate - for me the emperor has no clothes . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, hippo said: Isn't socfin Chris samuelsons company ? yes it is according to google Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, jim said: Having just read Deislers posts, what I have posted agrees with what he has said. Some people see what they want to see. Dear God. Quote But I guess the point is - this is 21st century, taking a loan is not a big issue, as long as you have assets/capital to support you. A loan of up to 400m CNY over two years is not that much compared to what he actually controls Would you rather us go into administration and/or be liquidated so it can help prove your point? Do you think only frauds/con men, unsuccessful business men have cash flow issues? I'm certain you are intelligent enough to know how businesses work. The route you are trying to go down is to intimate that he has fleeced the club and is a shady business man. Many a business has even gone as far as bankruptcy and come back stronger than previously. It appears it is actually you who just sees what you want to. By how some of you are going on it would appear we have been making hidden profits and they have been funneled to China ffs. How is it that the fact we have been a huge loss maker for years on top of years only valid when it is convenient? How can you say you want a sustainable club but moan when sugar daddy can't afford our favourite toys when we want them anymore? As well as pretend as if the result had had no bearing on it? It's a conflict of interest. Ho about aim some of your anger at the manager? Edited June 7, 2018 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 It’s not 2 weeks since we lost. It makes sense Xia didn’t input cash a single as he assumed we’d go up and would have PL money to wheel and deal with. Wyness has bumped the VAT to make us look bad and it seems Xia has now sorted funding. Hopefully that soon right anyway! Panic over. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Would you rather us go into administration and/or be liquidated so it can help prove your point? Do you think only frauds/con men, unsuccessful business men have cash flow issues? I'm certain you are intelligent enough to know how businesses work. The route you are trying to go down is to intimate that he has fleeced the club and is a shady business man. Many a business has even gone as far as bankruptcy and come back stronger than previously. It appears it is actually you who just sees what you want to. By how some of you are going on it would appear we have been making hidden profits and they have been funneled to China ffs. Where did I say any of that? Talk about putting words in my mouth! Correct, I know exactly how businesses work and I also know when I’ve been lied too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deisler123 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 (edited) I hope anyone here could help me with this: Where was the source of the 'unpaid tax bill' (the very first place where it was reported) and when was it released on 5th June? * A link to the source would be nice. Thanks. Edited June 7, 2018 by Deisler123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, Eastie said: The trust is gone mate - for me the emperor has no clothes . Xia went to House of Fraser to buy some new ones 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, dn1982 said: It’s not 2 weeks since we lost. It makes sense Xia didn’t input cash a single as he assumed we’d go up and would have PL money to wheel and deal with. Wyness has bumped the VAT to make us look bad and it seems Xia has now sorted funding. Hopefully that soon right anyway! Panic over. Really, do we instantly get Millions after the final whistle then? Even if we won the final we would still be in this predicament as there is no ready cash available. Xia would have just been borrowing against the PL money instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, Deisler123 said: I hope anyone here could help me with this: Where was the source of the 'unpaid tax bill' (the very first place where it was reported) and when was it released on 5th June? * A link to the source would be nice. Thanks. It was a Sky reporter on twitter around 8 am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted June 7, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 7, 2018 This was 9.26 am (shows different time below for some reason, 9.26 when viewed in Twitter). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deisler123 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 Ok. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 Will the financial problems impact the loan deal for Januzaj? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 32 minutes ago, Jareth said: This was 9.26 am (shows different time below for some reason, 9.26 when viewed in Twitter). Threatened = Hurry the f*** up and get this bill paid. Now Tony has sourced funding for now all should be fine, it will look like one of them computer generated letters that state 'If you have already made a payment please disregard this letter'. Think we can relax... for now anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 I donwonder how serious it really became or has become or whether it’s been blown up by the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted June 7, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 7, 2018 1 minute ago, AvfcRigo82 said: Think we can relax... for now anyway. Unless you're Wyness, can see him being renditioned to a military base on a South China Sea archipelago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEgo Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 1 hour ago, hippo said: Isn't socfin Chris samuelsons company ? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEgo Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 51 minutes ago, dn1982 said: It’s not 2 weeks since we lost. It makes sense Xia didn’t input cash a single as he assumed we’d go up and would have PL money to wheel and deal with. Wyness has bumped the VAT to make us look bad and it seems Xia has now sorted funding. Hopefully that soon right anyway! Panic over. Far from panic over at the moment. Let's see what the latest company filing that was made today is all about. Now actual confirmation on anything being sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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