Rodders Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 10 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: when they saw the span of influence of the Daily Mail and co, they presumed their role wasn't needed anyway... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 That's a bit different from what people have been saying recently, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 12 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: From the Beeb article: Quote Damian Collins, MP and chair of the digital, culture and media select committee was not impressed. "Facebook responded only with regards to funded advertisements to audiences in the UK from the around 470 accounts and pages run by the Russian based Internet Research Agency, which had been active during the US Presidential election. "It would appear that no work has been done by Facebook to look for Russian activity around the EU referendum, other than from funded advertisements from those accounts that had already been identified as part of the US Senate's investigation. "No work has been done by Facebook to look for other fake accounts and pages that could be linked to Russian-backed agencies and which were active during the EU referendum, as I requested." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I mean, I don't trust Facebook at all, but they also aren't an international crime agency. People are welcome to believe what they want, but I think these claims are massively overblown. I'm open to changing my mind in the face of strong, clear evidence of links, but so far we've been long on accusations and short on evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I mean, I don't trust Facebook at all, but they also aren't an international crime agency. People are welcome to believe what they want, but I think these claims are massively overblown. I'm open to changing my mind in the face of strong, clear evidence of links, but so far we've been long on accusations and short on evidence. welcome to the internet My view is pretty much the same as yours fwiw 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: welcome to the internet Yawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) 26 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I mean, I don't trust Facebook at all, but they also aren't an international crime agency. People are welcome to believe what they want, but I think these claims are massively overblown. I'm open to changing my mind in the face of strong, clear evidence of links, but so far we've been long on accusations and short on evidence. I'm not sure what that has to do with my highlighting part of the article that was referred to in the tweet you quoted. Edit: It might pay to respond to what people post rather than go down the 'people are welcome to believe what they want' line. Edited December 14, 2017 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 hour ago, snowychap said: I'm not sure what that has to do with my highlighting part of the article that was referred to in the tweet you quoted. Edit: It might pay to respond to what people post rather than go down the 'people are welcome to believe what they want' line. Facebook can't actually investigate the source of every single payment they receive. They were asked by the Electoral Commission to investigate, so they used the details of Russian accounts from the previous American investigation. This produced the very small and trivial result that they published, and which Collins is reacting to. I'm agreeing with some of what Collins said - my point about not trusting Facebook is that I hardly think they're likely to have gone to great lengths trying to find out - but making the point ('they aren't an international crime agency') that they do not have the ability (and shouldn't have the ability) to analyse the sources of wealth of every person who purchases advertising space on their platform. My second paragraph is doing no more than acknowledging that I am not omnipotent, and therefore may be proven wrong at a later date, and that obviously plenty of people disagree with me, but nevertheless the way I see the situation is that the efforts by 'Russia' at swaying the referendum are likely to be trivial (especially in comparison with, eg, Robert Mercer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 15 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: My second paragraph is doing no more than acknowledging that I am not omnipotent, and therefore may be proven wrong at a later date, and that obviously plenty of people disagree with me, but nevertheless the way I see the situation is that the efforts by 'Russia' at swaying the referendum are likely to be trivial (especially in comparison with, eg, Robert Mercer). Three things. We are one of the most closely surveilled nations on the globe. As the Prime Minister, are you publicly pointing the finger at Putin over trivial matters? The result was pretty close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 4 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Facebook can't actually investigate the source of every single payment they receive. They were asked by the Electoral Commission to investigate, so they used the details of Russian accounts from the previous American investigation. This produced the very small and trivial result that they published, and which Collins is reacting to. I'm agreeing with some of what Collins said - my point about not trusting Facebook is that I hardly think they're likely to have gone to great lengths trying to find out - but making the point ('they aren't an international crime agency') that they do not have the ability (and shouldn't have the ability) to analyse the sources of wealth of every person who purchases advertising space on their platform. My second paragraph is doing no more than acknowledging that I am not omnipotent, and therefore may be proven wrong at a later date, and that obviously plenty of people disagree with me, but nevertheless the way I see the situation is that the efforts by 'Russia' at swaying the referendum are likely to be trivial (especially in comparison with, eg, Robert Mercer). That's a much more enlightening and engaging post than the previous one. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 10 hours ago, snowychap said: That's MEP for nearly two decades and seven time failed Westminster candidate Farage? Don't be hard on him. He's saying that as a career politician, he holds himself in contempt. I think it's a cry for help. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted December 14, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) So for someone who hasn't really paid attention to this subject over the past 3 months, what's the general jist of what's happening in simple terms? Is it "we're still doomed"? Edited December 14, 2017 by PieFacE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 10 minutes ago, PieFacE said: So for someone who hasn't really paid attention to this subject over the past 3 months, what's the general jist of what's happening in simple terms? Is it "we're still doomed"? Won't happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted December 14, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 14, 2017 13 minutes ago, darrenm said: Won't happen Hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) It only took a couple of sentences on Question Time to reinforce my opinion that Isabel Oakeshott is an obnoxious piece of shit. TV off. Edited December 14, 2017 by snowychap 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 You just missed a great rant from an audience member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) 42 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: You just missed a great rant from an audience member I didn't see/hear it. Are you sure I missed it, though? Edited December 14, 2017 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 19 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: You just missed a great rant from an audience member Was it an angry old white guy telling us exactly what 17 million different people all understood one underdeveloped question to mean? He's on every week as far as I can tell. I presumed it was a running gag, like the auto door sensors not working on Fargo, or Tottingham being the real deal this year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 That’s the fella Not watched it for a while but terrible episode tonight ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Just now, tonyh29 said: That’s the fella Not watched it for a while but terrible episode tonight ... Yeah, I accidentally watched it last week for the first time in an age and it just felt like the same episode I'd last watched back in the Spring or whenever. There was some ukip tool on there saying Britain First weren't all that bad. So I gave it a swerve tonight as I can't be going down Richer sounds every Friday for a new tv. Lots of bitter shouty people that can't see another persons point of view, nobody listening, just waiting for their chance to shout and score a shallow point that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. They should all chill and try and be a bit more like me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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