Popular Post blandy Posted October 17, 2019 Author Moderator Popular Post Share Posted October 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, Awol said: The doctor who it was later revealed is an active Remain campaigner? Whatever the merits of the case generally, this is a terrible point. Firstly, he may be a remainer, because as a Doctor he can see remain as less damaging to the NHS, for example. Like a Hedge fund manager might be a Leaver because he could see how his industry could benefit. Or he may be because some other reason unrelated to medicine. He's still someone with better info in the area upon which he was commenting thatn the Fraud he was speaking to on the radio. Secondly, if we are to ignore the views of Remainers, because, well, they're remainers. We should also apply the same to Leavers. So then who do we listen to? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Brexit is a cult. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 17, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said: Brexit is a cult. Yes, it is. To be fair though, so is quite a lot of Remain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhatAboutTheFinish Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said: Brexit is a cult. Whereas the EU is circa 12th century Catholic Church. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Whataboutism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 4 hours ago, StefanAVFC said: Boris backed what would back Boris in the future. And it worked Sadly this is true for many politicians and is the reason we’re in this mess in the first place. Didn’t quite work out how Cameron planned it though. You could argue Boris is a political genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 17 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Bloody scary this. You voted remain? Nah sorry mate, your expert opinion based on years of practice means nothing. This is where we are, and it's why the damage inflicted by Brexit is so much more dangerous than Brexit itself. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, Vive_La_Villa said: Sadly this is true for many politicians and is the reason we’re in this mess in the first place. Didn’t quite work out how Cameron planned it though. You could argue Boris is a political genius. Tories have caused this entire mess. They elevated EU membership to a huge talking point, when it wasn't, to repair divides in their own party. Instead they've divided the country, probably irreparable and given ideologues the platform and justification (the leave vote) to spout their nonsense. **** them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, blandy said: Whatever the merits of the case generally, this is a terrible point. I agree, but specifically because 'the merits of the case generally' haven't been established. If Leavers have good arguments as to why the relevant section of the Yellowhammer report is incorrect or misguided, they can provide them (at least one poster has tried). That would help build the case that his work was biased or useless. Simply pointing to his social media posts is just ad hominem nonsense. Lots of people are able to leave their personal biases at the door when asked to complete a task as part of their work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, ChrisVillan said: This is where we are, and it's why the damage inflicted by Brexit is so much more dangerous than Brexit itself. The point of no return was Gove's 'we've had enough of experts' nonsense. Since then, we've just gone further and further down the rabbithole. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 49 minutes ago, Rodders said: stockpiling is happening. My friend is a GP, there are drugs that aren't available right now because of the uncertainty. Before I get bashed, I'm not standing on either side of the debate, I'm just curious. How the heck are the shortages now because of "uncertainty"? How is a pharmacy or a hospital unable to do business with a supplier because of something that might or might not happen? Does the supplier not want to make money? And if there will be shortages, shouldn't the shelves be stacked full in case that happens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 17, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Tories have caused this entire mess. They elevated EU membership to a huge talking point, when it wasn't, to repair divides in their own party. Instead they've divided the country, probably irreparable and given ideologues the platform and justification (the leave vote) to spout their nonsense. **** them. Just to make you feel better, remember they'll be rewarded for it at every election from here to the end of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhatAboutTheFinish Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: The point of no return was Gove's 'we've had enough of experts' nonsense. Since then, we've just gone further and further down the rabbithole. Fortunately we’ve got intellectualism like Quote **** them That should get us back on track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Chindie said: Just to make you feel better, remember they'll be rewarded for it at every election from here to the end of time. And they'll be asking for unity soon. Yay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 And there it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 hours ago, wilko154 said: If they held a new referendum tomorrow, leave or remain, what do you think the split would be? Not that it's going to happen, but I would imagine it would be heavily in the remainers favour after the absolute mess parliament have made of Brexit. I think a lot less people that voted leave would bother voting this time which would lead to a remain majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 23 minutes ago, blandy said: Secondly, if we are to ignore the views of Remainers, because, well, they're remainers. We should also apply the same to Leavers. So then who do we listen to? Twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tonyh29 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mic09 said: Before I get bashed, I'm not standing on either side of the debate, I'm just curious. How the heck are the shortages now because of "uncertainty"? How is a pharmacy or a hospital unable to do business with a supplier because of something that might or might not happen? Does the supplier not want to make money? And if there will be shortages, shouldn't the shelves be stacked full in case that happens? You won't see it mentioned very often but shortages of some medicines are a regular occurrence in the NHS .... however , there are established procedures in place to manage shortages.” to an extent that the chief medical officer & Chief Pharmaceutical officer specifically told GP's NOT to stock pile medicines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Extension? Quote EU ministers are starting to query Jean-Claude Juncker’s claim that the EU would not allow a further Brexit extension Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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