Popular Post choffer Posted September 6, 2018 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2018 3 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 6, 2018 Moderator Share Posted September 6, 2018 @choffer Obvious but very good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted September 6, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted September 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, bickster said: Obvious but very good The only surprise was that it took 24 hours to surface. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted September 6, 2018 Author Moderator Share Posted September 6, 2018 On 03/09/2018 at 16:50, ml1dch said: Obviously these tests means that it's going to be a failure, but it always was going to be a failure regardless. This gives everyone a peg on which to hang their criticism. That's (the whole post, now just the quoted extract) true to a point, but it's Labour's position that they want to do Brexit, too. As you imply, there is no version of Brexit which could ever give us the exact same benefits as before - so their own proposal fails their own tests, which is a bit, y'know, not very good example of their fitness to govern either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 In more positive Brexit news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted September 6, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted September 6, 2018 8 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: In more positive Brexit news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 2 hours ago, blandy said: That's (the whole post, now just the quoted extract) true to a point, but it's Labour's position that they want to do Brexit, too. As you imply, there is no version of Brexit which could ever give us the exact same benefits as before - so their own proposal fails their own tests, which is a bit, y'know, not very good example of their fitness to govern either. Oh sure, it's an embarrassing shambles. There's a good argument that it's even more incoherent than the Government's policy. But they don't even need to worry about it being scrutinized by the Government, because the last thing they want is for people to talk any louder about realism of policy. It also protects Labour, so that if this does all hit the fan, (illiterate policy or not) they can just say "we wanted our fantasy version, not your failed fantasy version, you should have done it our way and everything would have been fine". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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snowychap Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 5 hours ago, Xann said: Leaving seems madness. I'd suggest that being in this union is unlikely to have prevented him in any way from engaging in 'trade' with other parties. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 D'you think he wrote two letters and she found the wrong one? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 7, 2018 Moderator Share Posted September 7, 2018 Can the superinjunction that may or may not exist be lifted now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, chrisp65 said: D'you think he wrote two letters and she found the wrong one? You know what they say, no marriage is better than a bad marriage. This is cleaning the pipes ready for the leadership bid. Who wants all the papers talking about the new revelations about your infidelity when you're busy trying to become Prime Minister in October when you can just make it a news story at the start of September instead so nobody cares later down the line? Edited September 7, 2018 by ml1dch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 who was it that saw Boris Johnson and thought, 'yeah, I'd shag that'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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blandy Posted September 8, 2018 Author Moderator Share Posted September 8, 2018 10 hours ago, chrisp65 said: who was it that saw Boris Johnson and thought, 'yeah, I'd shag that'? Here’s a detailed list of things and people Johnson wouldn’t **** : 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 It's his kids I feel sorry for. Those **** names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 *alarm goes off* Ooh, today's the day that David Davis said that most of the rest-of-the-world trade deals should be done. We can probably expect a big press release later, no? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Honestly wasn't sure whether to put this in here or in the Tories thread, but since it's largely about Chequers I'll put it in here: Inside The Tory Brexiteer Plot To Topple Theresa May And Make Boris Johnson Prime Minister 'Theresa May has survived some brutal moments in two years in Downing Street, but none of those will compare to the ordeal a faction of her own Brexiteer Conservative MPs are planning to put her through. Hardline Tory Eurosceptics arrived back in Westminster this week feeling upbeat and focused after a summer plotting a final assault on the Brexit policy May announced at Chequers, her official country residence, on July 6. Members of the European Research Group — the hard-Brexit caucus whose senior figures include Jacob Rees-Mogg, the former Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith, and the former Brexit minister Steve Baker — think they’ve got one last shot at killing off the Chequers plan and replacing May with a prime minister who will, in their eyes, deliver a true Brexit. Most want that to be Boris Johnson. Emboldened by the uprising against Chequers among the Tory grassroots — and by opinion polls suggesting the wider public are also against it — ERG members told BuzzFeed News they’ve lined up more than the 48 MPs required to trigger a vote of no confidence in their leader and will move against her soon, unless she does a radical about-turn.' https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexspence/inside-brexiteer-plot-to-topple-theresa-may The article then goes on to explain that actually, they probably don't have the numbers to win a no-confidence vote, and in any case they haven't got an actual plan for Boris to stand behind anyway. See if you can spot, in this next extract, the reason why they might not have come up with an intellectually coherent plan for the country: 'A committee of MPs, including Bernard Jenkin, Owen Paterson, and John Redwood, have been working on a policy platform based on a Canada-style free-trade arrangement, in the hope of convincing more moderate Tory colleagues that a hard Brexit is plausible. It was intended to be published next week, but has been the subject of an internal row. Senior Brexiteers who have seen the paper said there are significant flaws with it. That is alarming, they said, because the document was meant to be at the stage when it would be signed-off for publication. In Number 10, aides to the prime minister are said to be greatly amused that their most dangerous enemies can’t seem to get it together.' If your answer was something along the lines of, 'because they've asked three of the most simple members of the entire Parliamentary Conservative Party to write it', then congratulations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Senior Brexiteers who have seen the paper said there are significant flaws with it. The other way that it's being presented is that anyone who isn't a moron would just laugh at it, so they can't publish it. The highlight is that Northern Ireland isn't important, but a Star Wars-style missile defence system is crucial, because y'know, space. Give it ten years and people will be as keen to admit that this was a good idea as war in Iraq was a good idea. Or announcing at Christmas dinner that you think that your 15 year old niece is hot was a good idea. Edited September 9, 2018 by ml1dch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted September 9, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted September 9, 2018 2 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: John Redwood Blimey he's still knocking around? I remember when "the Vulcan" was challenging John Major's leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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