HanoiVillan Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 That's a great idea John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 21, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) Some thoughts: The "taking the support for granted" is an excellent soundbite. We have great fans who will turn up through thick and thin. This may have given the owner/board the false impression that we aren't totally unhappy with what's happening. The walkout shows that the support is waivering and we are prepared to do something. I think we need a good, concise response to those who say "Why not just boycott?". I see that question a lot. I'm still not sure we've answered the question of what we want as a result of this protest. If the protest works... what's the outcome? Edit: just seen this bit on Hanoi's reddit post Quote We're calling for the club to invest in the playing squad and the infrastructure at the club; to engage in real and meaningful dialogue with supporters; to prepare an action plan regarding our return to the top-half of the Premier League, and to share that plan with supporters; and to have a full and frank investigation into the mismanagement of the club over the last five years. We believe a mass walk-out of fans in the 74th minute will help raise awareness of these issues. That's exactly what I meant regarding my last point. Apologies if that was already on the website or this thread, I may have missed it. Edited February 21, 2016 by Stevo985 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbertoAVFC Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Well done guys. I would fully support it if there. I still personally think boycott is the best option but ultimately if this makes progress I'm not against it. Perhaps boycott could be the next step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 21, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted February 21, 2016 A boycott would be impossible to organise. That's the problem. Everyone who says a boycott would be better is correct. But it just isn't going to happen. You might get a few thousand people not turning up, but nobody is going to notice that, at least in the media. It will just look like we've given up on the team and crowds are dwindling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 7 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Some thoughts: The "taking the support for granted" is an excellent soundbite. We have great fans who will turn up through thick and thin. This may have given the owner/board the false impression that we aren't totally unhappy with what's happening. The walkout shows that the support is waivering and we are prepared to do something. I think we need a good, concise response to those who say "Why not just boycott?". I see that question a lot. I'm still not sure we've answered the question of what we want as a result of this protest. If the protest works... what's the outcome? Edit: just seen this bit on Hanoi's reddit post That's exactly what I meant regarding my last point. Apologies if that was already on the website or this thread, I may have missed it. I agree that 'what we're asking' should be included in the Mission Statement on the website. Q: 'Why not just boycott'? A: 'We don't want the club to mistake anger for apathy'. Does this soundbite work? What do people think? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 22, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted February 22, 2016 6 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I agree that 'what we're asking' should be included in the Mission Statement on the website. Q: 'Why not just boycott'? A: 'We don't want the club to mistake anger for apathy'. Does this soundbite work? What do people think? Yeah i think so. You can also talk about the difficulties of organising a boycott and the fact that only a total boycott would really work. Even 10,000 people not turning up wouldn't have a huge effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMcKenna Posted February 22, 2016 Author VT Supporter Share Posted February 22, 2016 20 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I agree that 'what we're asking' should be included in the Mission Statement on the website. Q: 'Why not just boycott'? A: 'We don't want the club to mistake anger for apathy'. Does this soundbite work? What do people think? Very good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 What if it's a thriller and we're locked at 3-3 on 73 minutes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMcKenna Posted February 22, 2016 Author VT Supporter Share Posted February 22, 2016 19 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: What if it's a thriller and we're locked at 3-3 on 73 minutes? What if, what's the point etc etc etc We can't keep fielding questions about 101 scenarios - we are just doing it 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) I saw the VP banners on the previous page and I'd like to offer up this one. Feel free to use it Edited February 22, 2016 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 TIMELINE "2006 Ellis Sells - Cleveland Browns owner Randy Lerner buys the club and Martin O'Neill replaces David O'Leary as manager" Could add........ Randy Lerner declares himself ..."what you call the custodian. There have been plenty of custodians of Aston Villa since 1874 and if I can’t make it work I will do what the others did, move on and let someone else try. People like me come and go. The fans will always own Villa because they never leave." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YGabbana Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Letting the Everton fans know is a good idea. Decent fans and i think they will get involved and show some encouragment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 I bet they will. Most likely they will see it as giving their team an advantage. Actually I dislike this whole narrative that they're just like us, they're not, we're unique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 I agree 100% with this idea and would walk out myself were I attending. But...some people simply will not do this...here are a few comments I've just seen on a Facebook post; "I just can't do this!" "Stay to the **** end, make your voices heard, if anything everyone should stay after the game, refuse to leave! Do you really think Lerner or the board would give a shit about people leaving once they have paid for their ticket!" "I'll make a difference and vote with my voice, and when Lerner does finally leave I'll know that I didn't turn my back on my club! UTV" "Be better off not going at all than walking out on the 74th min, a complete boycott would make them take notice, but it still won't change anything until someone actually wants to buy us!" "Considering Lerner has the club up for sale and wants out. What exactly does the 'Lerner Out' Campaign hope to achieve? I will never walk out. I'm there to the bitter end." "We are Aston villa we stay untill the end!!" "Stupid morons, leave?? back your boys till the end up the villa" Makes you despair, does it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 22, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted February 22, 2016 The people saying "a complete boycott would be better" are annoying me. Yeah of course it would, but it's totally impossible to organise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrinityRoadSteps Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 20 minutes ago, rjw63 said: I agree 100% with this idea and would walk out myself were I attending. But...some people simply will not do this...here are a few comments I've just seen on a Facebook post; "I just can't do this!" "Stay to the **** end, make your voices heard, if anything everyone should stay after the game, refuse to leave! Do you really think Lerner or the board would give a shit about people leaving once they have paid for their ticket!" "I'll make a difference and vote with my voice, and when Lerner does finally leave I'll know that I didn't turn my back on my club! UTV" "Be better off not going at all than walking out on the 74th min, a complete boycott would make them take notice, but it still won't change anything until someone actually wants to buy us!" "Considering Lerner has the club up for sale and wants out. What exactly does the 'Lerner Out' Campaign hope to achieve? I will never walk out. I'm there to the bitter end." "We are Aston villa we stay untill the end!!" "Stupid morons, leave?? back your boys till the end up the villa" Makes you despair, does it not? And this is why you would never get a boycott to work. There will always be people like the above coz PASHUN INNIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 9 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Do we know, or can we find out, the date of the last home game that Randy Lerner attended? I think that would be a great addition to the timeline, as suggested by @dounavilla. I think the difficulty with this is corroborating the information. Does anyone know for sure because if we don't we could end up weakening our argument. The infographic needs to be spot on. I agree though that at the moment the information on there kind of makes us sound like a bunch of spoilt brats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 I agree though that at the moment the information on there kind of makes us sound like a bunch of spoilt brats. [emoji20] This is where I am right now. If you say 'we're protesting because we want investment into the team', the answer will be 'well you had massive investment with O'Neill. Also, you were given all of the Benteke and Delph money to invest (plus a bit more) last summer, which is how you bought Ayew, Veretout, Amavi, Gana, Traore, Gestede etc'. If the demand then changes to 'Yes, but we want money invested in the RIGHT players', then the answer will be 'Firstly, all teams want that but not all get it. Secondly, Ayew and Amavi have both been championed as excellent purchases. You can't win them all'. Then the demand appears to be 'we want clear direction', but again, I think we already have a clear direction. Without the board sending a communication to everyone, it's pretty clear that our plan recently is to buy promising players who we can improve, sell for more money and repeat (which is what we should be doing, like Everton/Spurs etc). The main issue for me, is that we're shit. But lots of teams are shit, and you just have to put up with the shitness until you start playing well again. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 1 hour ago, sexbelowsound said: I think the difficulty with this is corroborating the information. Does anyone know for sure because if we don't we could end up weakening our argument. The infographic needs to be spot on. I agree though that at the moment the information on there kind of makes us sound like a bunch of spoilt brats. I think it might have been Arsenal at home last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 1 hour ago, rjw63 said: I agree 100% with this idea and would walk out myself were I attending. But...some people simply will not do this...here are a few comments I've just seen on a Facebook post; "I just can't do this!" "Stay to the **** end, make your voices heard, if anything everyone should stay after the game, refuse to leave! Do you really think Lerner or the board would give a shit about people leaving once they have paid for their ticket!" "I'll make a difference and vote with my voice, and when Lerner does finally leave I'll know that I didn't turn my back on my club! UTV" "Be better off not going at all than walking out on the 74th min, a complete boycott would make them take notice, but it still won't change anything until someone actually wants to buy us!" "Considering Lerner has the club up for sale and wants out. What exactly does the 'Lerner Out' Campaign hope to achieve? I will never walk out. I'm there to the bitter end." "We are Aston villa we stay untill the end!!" "Stupid morons, leave?? back your boys till the end up the villa" Makes you despair, does it not? Clowns,and these are the kind of people Hollis, Lerner and Fox will be laughing at over a nice expensive glass of rose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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