bobzy Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 12 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: We might be supporting Israel with military assistance and political cover, but it shouldn’t influence your vote or cause you to protest. Just vote for more of the same and then wish really really hard for something nice. Fair. Although, in this instance, a protest vote enables more of the same. Lose/lose or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted May 3 VT Supporter Share Posted May 3 12 minutes ago, blandy said: They just had Police commissioner election where I live, and as I have no idea even after doing a search on that internet, what any of the 3 candidates would do etc. I decided not to bother...then I thought, No, don't be soft, there's a chance to walk to the end of the road, go in the voting place and (using a pencil) kick a Tory. As much as electing a plod boss in nothing to do with National bolitics, if someone is daft enough to associate themselves with that bunch of words removed, then I have a duty to go and try and get rid of them. My thinking exactly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Sunak proclaiming that Houchen being re elected as Tees Valley Mayor is a huge victory. There was a 17% swing to Labour which if replicated in a general election would see the Tories completely wiped out in the North East. One of the reasons Houchen has managed to hold on is that he has pretty much completely disassociated himself with the Westminster Tories. Likewise so has Street in the West Mids. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted May 3 VT Supporter Share Posted May 3 I don't mind Street in all fairness. I think he represents West Midlands well. The Labour guy made me nervous on transport because he didn't seem keen on trains and Metro and banged on about buses A LOT. now better buses are of course fine, but a modern metropolis looking to move on in the world really needs light and heavy rail. For that reason I did vote for Street. Echo the Police Commissioner nonsense. I just voted the Labour guy with zero understanding of what they do or what his policies are. What a pointless thing. Are we just trying to be American for the sake of it? In America though the press seem to hold the Police Commissioner accountable. Ours seem to ignore them and just call for the head of the Chief Constable when anything goes wrong so the public have no awareness. I know I should have done some research but I just didn't even think about it till Mrs Sidcow handed me the voting cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted May 3 Author Moderator Share Posted May 3 22 minutes ago, sidcow said: Police Commissioner...I know I should have done some research Like you say it's a pretty pointless thing, rendered even more so because even if you do research, there's eff all info (at least for Lancashire's one). One sentence statements from each of the 3 candidates was all I could find, and that was not easy. Gimmick at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 3 Moderator Share Posted May 3 52 minutes ago, blandy said: Like you say it's a pretty pointless thing, rendered even more so because even if you do research, there's eff all info (at least for Lancashire's one). One sentence statements from each of the 3 candidates was all I could find, and that was not easy. Gimmick at the moment. Its a f***ing stupid half measure because no party wants to reform county boundaries. If you have a Police and Crime Commissioner, its because you don't have a devolved reginal mayoralty or if you do, the mayoralty is split across different police forces areas Take the Liverpool City Region... we have a PCC for Merseyside because... when they made the Liverpool City Region, they added the Borough of Halton (Runcorn / Widnes) to the county of Merseyside to form the region. The problem with that is, Halton is in Cheshire so the Metro Mayor can't have responsibility for Cheshire Police because most of it doesn't even land on his patch Across the Way in Manchester because the Greater Manchester Mayor is responsible for Greater Manchester alone and that has a Police Force of its own, the Metro Mayor (Burnham) is the de facto PCC. You only get them where that isn't the case. Its a half way measure clusterpork. If a Metro Mayor can do the job, having someone do an itty bitty bit of the metro Mayors role because the Metro Mayor can't because you know crossed boundaries then its not really a job is it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted May 3 Moderator Share Posted May 3 It did mean I got to vote against them three times in one foul swoop. Plus the dog got a walk. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted May 3 Author Moderator Share Posted May 3 8 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: foul swoop @mjmooney probably fell off his pedant's stool reading that, you tinker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted May 3 Moderator Share Posted May 3 1 minute ago, blandy said: @mjmooney probably fell off his pedant's stool reading that, you tinker. It was a fowl deed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted May 3 VT Supporter Share Posted May 3 40 minutes ago, blandy said: @mjmooney probably fell off his pedant's stool reading that, you tinker. Not at all. I assumed it to be clever wordplay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted May 3 Author Moderator Share Posted May 3 48 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Not at all. I assumed it to be clever wordplay. You're smarter than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 The architects of the 2008 global financial collapse and former Sunak employer Goldman Sachs just removed caps from bankers' bonuses. Kwarteng's idiot legacy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 1 minute ago, Xann said: The architects of the 2008 global financial collapse and former Sunak employer Goldman Sachs just removed caps from bankers' bonuses. Kwarteng's idiot legacy. Don’t worry, all this money will trickle down to the plebs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted May 3 VT Supporter Share Posted May 3 3 minutes ago, Genie said: Don’t worry, all this money will trickle down to the plebs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Tories currently -423 seats. Cant wait for Sunak to tell us it’s not too bad and in fact Labour have under achieved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dog Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 What does the Police Commissioner actually do? Genuine Q. Also, the regional mayor, I don't really get that either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted May 3 VT Supporter Share Posted May 3 17 minutes ago, T-Dog said: What does the Police Commissioner actually do? Genuine Q. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted May 3 VT Supporter Share Posted May 3 21 minutes ago, T-Dog said: Also, the regional mayor, I don't really get that either. Well Tracy Brabin is about to get re-elected for West Yorkshire, and says she's going to bring the buses back into public ownership, so I suppose that's one power they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dog Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 44 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Well Tracy Brabin is about to get re-elected for West Yorkshire, and says she's going to bring the buses back into public ownership, so I suppose that's one power they have. Is that something the mayor can do? I don't understand anything in this world any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 48 minutes ago, T-Dog said: Is that something the mayor can do? I don't understand anything in this world any more. Public transport upgrades comes under the regional major. They get a decent budget from central government to spend on schemes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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