bickster Posted July 21, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 21, 2022 51 minutes ago, ender4 said: This might be a daft question, but do trains actually need drivers or can they be just automated? They need drivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicho Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 2 hours ago, KentVillan said: Tory Greatest Hits isn't it. Make an enemy of unions, pretend it isn't happening because of their mismanagement of the economy Would like to see Starmer come out with a plan for economic growth... it's what everyone wants. Not juvenile us vs them bullshit Starmer doesn’t need to to come up with anything at the moment, it would be nice but it would be something the tories would beat him with. Letting then rip each other apart is perfect. On Kwarteng, that policy is abhorrent in what it’s trying to achieve. Useless in its application. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 48 minutes ago, bickster said: They need drivers. Eeeeeh. Not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 51 minutes ago, a m ole said: Eeeeeh. Not really. They need drivers, or they need massive investment in technology. So they need drivers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: They need drivers, or they need massive investment in technology. So they need drivers. investment that would be worth it for everyone but the train drivers. Automation is tough, and I’m not advocating it happening immediately and people losing their jobs, far from it. But the question was do we need train drivers and the answer is no (or not really as I said, since the political aspect is complicated). There’s loads of lines all over the world that are automated Edited July 21, 2022 by a m ole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, a m ole said: investment that would be worth it for everyone but the train drivers. Automation is tough, and I’m not advocating it happening immediately and people losing their jobs, far from it. But the question was do we need train drivers and the answer is no (or not really as I said, since the political aspect is complicated). There’s loads of lines all over the world that are automated Yep, its easily done, but the investment wouldn’t happen. They couldn’t partly just automate, just the London bound trains, so the investment would be greater than HS2 but without the obvious pay back for the economy of London. I just can’t see that happening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 21, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, a m ole said: investment that would be worth it for everyone but the train drivers. Automation is tough, and I’m not advocating it happening immediately and people losing their jobs, far from it. But the question was do we need train drivers and the answer is no (or not really as I said, since the political aspect is complicated). There’s loads of lines all over the world that are automated Mainline passenger service lines on complex networks that still involve victorian signals in places and tokens on single track lines? The absolute vast majority are closed network Metro systems The longest driverless network in either North or South America is in Canada and is a whole 79km in length Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Is the DLR driverless? I think it is, and that’s a small self contained modern system. In London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 17 minutes ago, bickster said: Mainline passenger service lines on complex networks that still involve victorian signals in places and tokens on single track lines? The absolute vast majority are closed network Metro systems The longest driverless network in either North or South America is in Canada and is a whole 79km in length The technology isn’t the problem, is the point. It’s technically quite easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 21, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 21, 2022 Just now, a m ole said: The technology isn’t the problem, is the point. It’s technically quite easy It really isn't because it actually doesn't exist yet. The first system to even try it is being trialed on a short section of a german network, that only started last year. Just like driverless cars, we're decades away from open network driverless trains Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Just now, bickster said: It really isn't because it actually doesn't exist yet. The first system to even try it is being trialed on a short section of a german network, that only started last year. Just like driverless cars, we're decades away from open network driverless trains The technology on rails is much more simple than driverless cars though. It’s not the ability of the tech delaying progress. It does exist. Implementing it on an old network is a different problem. Drivers suck, we don’t need em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 21, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, bickster said: What a load of grandstanding nonsense in the current climate Where do you hire all these spare skilled staff from? For a day (or two)? They came up with this wheeze because of the rail strikes Where's this surplus of trained guards (sorry train Managers) and drivers coming from. The Industry already needs more of them there aren't spares just waiting around for a strike. It's pretty much the same in any skilled industry Doesn't matter. The soundbyte is out there and that is all that matters. You're sounding an awful lot like project tear. Boohoo.... I'm trying to think of a ever slogan but I've had about 10 pints. Edited July 21, 2022 by sidcow 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted July 22, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 22, 2022 7 hours ago, bickster said: What a load of grandstanding nonsense in the current climate Where do you hire all these spare skilled staff from? For a day (or two)? They came up with this wheeze because of the rail strikes Where's this surplus of trained guards (sorry train Managers) and drivers coming from. The Industry already needs more of them there aren't spares just waiting around for a strike. It's pretty much the same in any skilled industry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bickster Posted July 22, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 22, 2022 42 minutes ago, choffer said: Rule Number 1 - kids and animals It really is basic stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 23 minutes ago, bickster said: Rule Number 1 - kids and animals It really is basic stuff I thought it's that you don't talk about Fight Club...I've said too much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted July 22, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 22, 2022 32 minutes ago, bickster said: Rule Number 1 - kids and animals It really is basic stuff Maybe she's telling them nursery rhymes about how their futures have been sold down the river? That because of climate change and economic collapse, war in Ukraine, the pandemic, energy crises, food scarcity, global inequality, racism, sexism, crime and stretching to breaking point of the NHS, all of which have thrived over the last government's tenure, things aren't looking so great for little Jimmy. Or she's probably talking to them about cheese. or Pandas. Yeah, Pandas. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 22, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, HKP90 said: Maybe she's telling them nursery rhymes about how their futures have been sold down the river? That because of climate change and economic collapse, war in Ukraine, the pandemic, energy crises, food scarcity, global inequality, racism, sexism, crime and stretching to breaking point of the NHS, all of which have thrived over the last government's tenure, things aren't looking so great for little Jimmy. Or she's probably talking to them about cheese. or Pandas. Yeah, Pandas. Panda Markets are a disgrace! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted July 22, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 22, 2022 Doesn’t the free trade agreement with Japan reduce the price of panda steaks n the UK by 2%? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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