Stevo985 Posted June 7, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 7, 2022 21 minutes ago, Genie said: Maybe someone could remember better than me, but what were the main differences between her Brexit deal and the one we’ve ended up with from Boris? Hers was better (which admittedly in this case is like drinking piss instead of eating shit) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Just now, Stevo985 said: Hers was better (which admittedly in this case is like drinking piss instead of eating shit) My recollection was they were similar but hers would have been better than what we actually have but wasn’t 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: That doesn't change that Mogg's argument is completely hypocritical. He got out in front of it and said he was wrong to say it in the past, before Johnson's vote. No doubt next time he finds himself wanting a PM out, he'll do the same and admit he was wrong about Johnson. Just another bullshit artist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 52 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: That doesn't change that Mogg's argument is completely hypocritical. Agreed. I just think Boris has a better chance of surviving than May did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 1 minute ago, hippo said: Agreed. I just think Boris has a better chance of surviving than May did. Not sure about “surviving”, he may hang around longer as he has no morals or sense of decency to do the right thing and **** off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 49 minutes ago, Genie said: Not sure about “surviving”, he may hang around longer as he has no morals or sense of decency to do the right thing and **** off. I don't see the electorate voting him out He was elected on the loveable dodgy rogue ticket and so it's proved. But it's not such a crisis because people suspected or knew what he was like before they voted for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Unless I’m missing something blindingly obvious, could someone explain Zelensky’s massive lob on for Boris? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 17 minutes ago, Ingram85 said: Unless I’m missing something blindingly obvious, could someone explain Zelensky’s massive lob on for Boris? He’s doing whatever he needs to do for Ukraine. Keep blowing smoke up his arse, he’ll keep getting weapons. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted June 7, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 7, 2022 18 minutes ago, Ingram85 said: Unless I’m missing something blindingly obvious, could someone explain Zelensky’s massive lob on for Boris? We were at the front of the line to help Ukraine, most likely before the crisis even developed. It's about the only thing Johnson's government has done right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 17 minutes ago, Ingram85 said: Unless I’m missing something blindingly obvious, could someone explain Zelensky’s massive lob on for Boris? Zelensky used tp pretend to be Prime Minister and Boris is still pretending! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Chindie said: We were at the front of the line to help Ukraine, most likely before the crisis even developed. It's about the only thing Johnson's government has done right. Motivation is everything with Bojo. He’ll give the Ukrainians weapons , not because it’s the right thing to do for them, but because he thinks it’s good for him. I’ve no doubt he’d arm the Ruskies if he thought he could get anything out of it for himself. He’s a self obsessed chancer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picicata Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 1 hour ago, hippo said: I don't see the electorate voting him out He was elected on the loveable dodgy rogue ticket and so it's proved. But it's not such a crisis because people suspected or knew what he was like before they voted for him. It will be interesting to see how the next election goes without the whole Brexit thing. So many of the 'red wall' constituencies were leave voters, will they revert to labour once Brexit is no longer the issue it was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted June 7, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 7, 2022 32 minutes ago, meregreen said: Motivation is everything with Bojo. He’ll give the Ukrainians weapons , not because it’s the right thing to do for them, but because he thinks it’s good for him. I’ve no doubt he’d arm the Ruskies if he thought he could get anything out of it for himself. He’s a self obsessed chancer. Oh he's not doing it because it's the right thing to do, that's, to him, a side benefit. Fortunately in this case what's good for Johnson aligns with what's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Ingram85 said: Unless I’m missing something blindingly obvious, could someone explain Zelensky’s massive lob on for Boris? Boris is supplying lots of weapons, there’s no guarantee that a new leader would be so generous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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markavfc40 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Reality of what 12 years of Tory rule has done to our NHS. Bastards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 (edited) We've been to A&E twice in the last fortnight. On one occasion we were advised we needed to go in with our newborn by the health visitor team when we asked for a bit of gaviscon to help with reflux - we drove ourselves there, but weren't convinced we needed to be in the emergency department, and neither were A&E, and we found that once they missed the 4 hour target, they basically just forgot about us, we were there for nearly 15 hours before being seen by a doctor and sent on our way with the prescription we needed - it was a complete waste of their time, a waste of our time, and something that ought to have been dealt with outside of an emergency setting A few days ago, she choked and stopped breathing for a couple of minutes (fine now, mercifully). We had 2 ambulances arrive (first one got there ASAP, a second one arrived shortly after with a paramedic who was more experienced with premature babies), we were blue-lit to A&E and had a crash team waiting for our arrival. When it is genuinely an emergency, they pull out the stops, and do everything that is required. I did note that there were close to a dozen ambulances parked up outside waiting to be able to have their patients taken in, and people queueing outside to get in, however. 2 observations from my anecdotal experience really: 1. There are far too many people going to A&E for non-emergency treatment, and while some of this is the fault of time wasting patients, I attribute most of it to the fact that other primary care is woefully inadequate, GPs are overworked and ineffective, and it's so hard to get other care that I can't blame people for trying A&E 2. They provide absolutely amazing care when it is a genuine matter of life and death. I do wonder what would have happened if just one or two more of those waiting in A&E had been genuine emergencies though. Edited June 7, 2022 by Davkaus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted June 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, hippo said: Unfortunately though those whose have been through Eton etc are no damm fools, they are sharp as a blade, aggressive, and ruthless. T Don't disagree with the rest of your post, but I do this. Plenty of them are damn fools who would be absolutely nothing without mummy and daddy's wealth buying them into top tier education and donating enough to the school that they don't fail. When your family is rich enough, ability and outcomes are not necessarily linked. Johnson, in particular, is a **** moron who has managed to bullshit and bluster his way through life while people laugh at the clown act. Sharp as a blade? Is he ****. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chindie Posted June 7, 2022 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2022 About 8 years ago, to the day nearly, we had cause to ring an ambulance. My mom, who had been unwell for a couple of days following a hospital visit (though on one of those days went to work as normal), was collapsed on the settee in discomfort, struggling to walk, clearly not in a good way. We were told this wasn't serious enough to send an ambulance, and we should get her to A&E ourselves if we felt it was necessary. 2 hours later we were in a room with a doctor telling us she was gravely ill. 12 hours after that she was dead. I'm still angry about that. Very angry. And I can't help thinking it was a decision driven by finances and ideology making something as fundamental as an ambulance to the service a privilege. It wouldn't have made a difference, she was going to die that day. We were going to have to watch her struggle through pain for hours, before her mind went for the last few hours before her body gave in. But she could have been given the courtesy of being treated as something better than a burden they would be wasting an ambulances time. And for that, even if I somehow stumble into billions and move to the leafy suburbs, these words removed will never have my vote. Even if I have a complete change in my political outlook, following a brain injury or something, that moment and the decisions made to make that situation come about, will always make me hate them. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 16 hours ago, Genie said: My recollection was they were similar but hers would have been better than what we actually have but wasn’t 100%. Her version kept the U.K. in the single market until magic technology could be found that made border checks superfluous. Presumably it was a trick to try and keep the hard Brextiers in agreement but they saw through it and kicked her out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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